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08-05-2012, 03:04 AM
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I think Murray's whiteboard looks like this:

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Ryan
Cogliano
Winnik
Beleskey

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Getzlaf
Koivu
Bonino
Holland

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Perry
Selanne
Palmieri
Smith-Pelly

I'll leave the line juggling to Bruce.
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08-05-2012, 03:36 AM
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So Arnott most likely going to Canucks or Rangers. So i guess that leaves us with Getzlaf-Koivu-Bonino-Holland. Not a big fan of this (at last now).

Would be sick if we`d add him for our lineup.

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08-05-2012, 03:48 AM
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Moore is still out there.

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08-05-2012, 04:21 AM
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I`d be ok with Moore. Would give as good depth!

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08-05-2012, 12:33 PM
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I agree. Moore would be great for our bottom 6. And I doubt he would cost a lot.

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08-05-2012, 07:56 PM
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In regards to the earlier what linemates Bobby Ryan plays best with argument, I was bored and on and came up with some numbers based on his even strength production.

Selanne assisted on 8 Ryan goals, all 8 being primary assists
Getzlaf assisted on 7 Ryan goals, 4 of which were primary assists
Koivu assisted on 5 Ryan goals, 3 of which were primary assists
Bonino assisted on 3 Ryan goals, all of which were secondary assists
Perry assisted on 2 Ryan goals, both were primary assists
Smith-Pelly assisted on 2 Ryan goals, both being primary assists
Palmieri, Hagman, and Blake all assisted on one of Ryan's goals

Ryan assisted on 3 Perry goals
Ryan assisted on 2 Koivu goals
Ryan assisted on 1 Selanne goal
Ryan assisted on 2 Palmieri goals
Ryan assisted on 2 DSP goals
Ryan assisted on a number of goals from Pelley & various defensemen.

So I think the idea that Ryan and Selanne don't play well together is a myth. Selanne was involved in more of Ryan's even strength goals and points than anbody else on the team and the only guy who was close to him (Getzlaf) played over 200 more minutes with Ryan at even strength. Palmieri and DSP both produced very well with Ryan but both only played 70 even strength minutes with him so the sample size is too small to determine whether or not they could replicate the success over a full year.

Here is Ryan's scoring log and here is the site that tracks the amount of even strength minutes he played with each linemate.

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08-05-2012, 09:02 PM
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That's interresting. I know selanne worked well with ryan but that says a lot.

Again, theorietically, those numbers also talk about exploiting easier minutes playing on the second line.

Ryan isn't quick. Selanne still is. Both can outskill most opponents, especially "easier opponents", and I think that's something you see in those numbers.

Ryan is going to float next year. He's going to start and end games on the top line, but make guest appearances everywhere from the 2nd to 3rd line.

Having set lines and ryan getting his own line.. its impossible to expect or predict that.

Now, what could happen, is etem or Holland or Dsp or bonino develop chemistry and put some good games playing together or as guest stars on the 1st or 2nd line. Then, I think you will see ryan become more settled.

Until that happens, ryan is productive wherever you put him, so he's going to be moved around every game and period. If Dsp starts on fire with the top line, then maybe you keep him there and let ryan play with teemu. If etem or someone is on the team and starts on fire with selanne and koivu, then that combo will stay and ryan will play 1st and 3rd line.

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08-05-2012, 09:50 PM
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Habs fan here, just wanted some insight on Devante Smith-Pelly.

What kind of icetime should he be getting this year and what kind of production do you expect out of him? Also, how is his defensive play?

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08-05-2012, 11:50 PM
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Habs fan here, just wanted some insight on Devante Smith-Pelly.

What kind of icetime should he be getting this year and what kind of production do you expect out of him? Also, how is his defensive play?

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It depends where he plays. Some people have him playing more with Getzlaf and Perry and some on the third line.

I think he will spend the majority of the season there on the third line with either Koivu or Bonino centering him. Could even be Holland depending on how camp goes for him and Bonino. Production I'm not really sure.. a full season and depending on the teammates could be somewhere between 20-30 points. 30 would be pushing it. He spent around a minute a game on the PK last season.

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It's a good thing when you can't agree on your lines right? I mean having so many potential options and all...

What is my random guess?

Palmieri - Getzlaf - Perry
Ryan - Holland - Selanne
DSP/Winnik - Koivu - Cogs
Winnik/DSP - Bonino/Pelly - Staubitz/Beleskey/McMillian/Maroon

I have to submit this quick otherwise I'll change it. AHHHHHH TOO MANY OPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!

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08-06-2012, 01:43 PM
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I'll go with this:

Ryan - Getzlaf - Perry
Palmieri - Holland - Selanne
Winnik - Koivu - Cogliano
Smith-Pelly - Bonino - Beleskey/McMillan
Staubitz

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08-06-2012, 04:19 PM
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Leafs fan here

How would you feel about an offer of:

Grabovski, Colborne, Kadri, 1st for Getzlaf


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08-06-2012, 04:26 PM
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Leafs fan here

How would you feel of an off of:

Grabovski, Colborne, Kadri, 1st for Getzlaf
Bad!

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Getzlaf isn't on the block until he puts himself on the block.

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Leafs fan here

How would you feel of an off of:

Grabovski, Colborne, Kadri, 1st for Getzlaf
Maybe after the lockout.








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08-06-2012, 04:40 PM
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Getzlaf isn't on the block until he puts himself on the block.
I think this best sums it up. Until he gives an indication he wants to leave, he will not be traded for anything.

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Getz ain't leaving. Wifes have a lot of say in this, just ask Ryan Suter.


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Getzlaf isn't on the block until he puts himself on the block.
Pretty much. I imagine the same with Perry.

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I'll go with this:

Ryan - Getzlaf - Perry
Palmieri - Holland - Selanne
Winnik - Koivu - Cogliano
Smith-Pelly - Bonino - Beleskey/McMillan
Staubitz
That 3rd line is awful

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08-06-2012, 11:56 PM
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Leafs fan here

How would you feel about an offer of:

Grabovski, Colborne, Kadri, 1st for Getzlaf
Oilers fan here looking at this objectively, and it seems a bid short of Anaheim pulling the trigger.

Not sold on Kadri ever being more than a 3rd line player, Grabovski is a good 2C, Colborne don't know enough. But the most interesting part might be that possible lottery pick.

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If RGP regain their chemistry:
Ryan - Getzlaf - Perry
No comment needed, one of the most dominant lines in the NHL.
Palmieri - Holland - Selänne
Very risky, because both Palmieri and Holland have basically no experience at this level. Selänne would be a great help for their development because of his experience.
Winnik - Koivu - DSP
Actually quite decent defensive line. I would give it a try.
Cogliano - Bonino - Beleskey
Oh boy... I don't even know what to say. Some kind of "Best of the rest". Does anybody have a better idea?

If RGP don't regain their chemistry:
Palmieri - Getzlaf - Perry
A random thought. I think it could work out quite good. But Palmieri had to face completely unsheltered minutes... A positive thing is that Getzlaf and Perry aren't dependent on him.
Ryan - Holland - Selänne
Selänne and Ryan had some great chemistry last year, so this wouldn't be too shabby after all. Good for Holland is, that he can play in a comparable situation as Palmieri with two independent guys around him. And he plays (more or less) sheltered minutes.
Bottom 6 would be identical.

Overall I'd say the Ducks don't look too bad up front. Just the 4th line looks kinda odd to me...

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08-07-2012, 01:12 AM
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He was a secondary player on that line. Perry is who gets the first look. The same thing goes for when he plays with Teemu. Thornton isn't in a comparable situation, as he is almost always one of the prime movers on his line. Ryan's big game opportunities have been when Perry was out. Perry has missed a total of six games in the last four years. Ryan racked up 9 points in those games. I would call a player that steps up to fill a major loss like that a big game player. I also wouldn't call into question a guy that fights to give us a chance to win a guy that isn't a big game player. I'll finish by saying that, I don't think he's anywhere close to proven to be that guy, since we're looking at minute sample sizes, but it's also unfair to hold him to a standard that he rarely has an opportunity to try to match.
You seem to be implying a hierarchy on the line where none exists. How does Perry "get the first look" over Ryan? On the PP, you might have an argument, but at even strength three(five when a coach puts together five man units) players work together. Any advantages Perry has over Ryan could just as easily be from him being the better player. Ryan has been able to put up terrific even strength numbers, so how has he not gotten great opportunities at even strength?

Those numbers have no context. How many were from PP minutes? How many were even strength? Did he consistently put up good numbers in all six games, or did he light it up in one or two games without much in the other games? How about the teams Anaheim was playing those nights? With such a small sample size, those numbers could say a lot of things, and in all likelihood they would even out over the long term. Six games doesn't really argue any point. I'll be the first to say that I think he does better when he has the puck on his stick more, but that sounds like a good argument for trying to build a new line around him. Even so, I don't see how it points to him being held back by Getzlaf or Perry. Does Ryan hold Perry and Getzlaf back? Did Kunitz? Or Penner? The opportunity is there for him. He's just overshadowed by Perry and Getzlaf. Even on another line, will that really change?

I suspect his even strength numbers are about as high as they will go, and they may even drop when he gets his own line, though that could still ultimately be to Anaheim's benefit if it helps spread out the offense. The next jump in his points is probably going to come from 1st unit PP time.

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Im not going to waste time making lines, i'll just say I feel we are much deeper top to bottom, and assuming our stars bounce back, we have a good shot at making noise next year. our PK looks alot better, we are much tougher. the talent is there to be a good team, and Hiller should be fine all year

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You seem to be implying a hierarchy on the line where none exists. How does Perry "get the first look" over Ryan? On the PP, you might have an argument, but at even strength three(five when a coach puts together five man units) players work together. Any advantages Perry has over Ryan could just as easily be from him being the better player. Ryan has been able to put up terrific even strength numbers, so how has he not gotten great opportunities at even strength?
I am not implying that. I stated it.

Are you honestly trying to argue that teams playing together don't have a hierarchy?

Does Ryan playing out of position equate to the same opportunities Perry has?

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Those numbers have no context. How many were from PP minutes? How many were even strength? Did he consistently put up good numbers in all six games, or did he light it up in one or two games without much in the other games? How about the teams Anaheim was playing those nights? With such a small sample size, those numbers could say a lot of things, and in all likelihood they would even out over the long term. Six games doesn't really argue any point. I'll be the first to say that I think he does better when he has the puck on his stick more, but that sounds like a good argument for trying to build a new line around him. Even so, I don't see how it points to him being held back by Getzlaf or Perry. Does Ryan hold Perry and Getzlaf back? Did Kunitz? Or Penner? The opportunity is there for him. He's just overshadowed by Perry and Getzlaf. Even on another line, will that really change?
Well, you're more than capable of looking those things up like I did. Your ignorance of a subject is not an argument. Of the things you're throwing out there, I noticed that he was held scoreless in only one game.

I like how you throw out Ryan holding back Getzlaf even though that was never stated or implied.


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