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07-24-2012, 01:20 PM
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Kris Versteeg is up there, he isn't bad, just hes overrated, hes good if hes with good players, he was with Fleishmann who is very good and Weiss, in Chicago he was with Toews and Kane, but if he was with Sid/Geno, he'd get like 90 points

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07-24-2012, 01:22 PM
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we are talking about the worst player leading his team in scoring so I dont see your point.
About the same point as trading a 22 y/o Straka for a 31 y/o puck-moving d-man when you already have Larry Murphy... none.

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I’m going with Nelson Pyatt.

(And yes, he’s also the father of Taylor and Tom Pyatt.)
He beat out teammate Gerry Meehan (Jr.?) that year, so I think that disqualifies him.

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07-24-2012, 01:26 PM
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Nah, Im saving that gem for the AAA
Late in the AAA, if it's a 10-team draft... sure.

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Bailey led the season before (1974-75), depending on how you count it. But Pyatt was the clear 1975-76 leader, I think.
Whoops, you're right.

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Kris Versteeg is up there, he isn't bad, just hes overrated, hes good if hes with good players, he was with Fleishmann who is very good and Weiss, in Chicago he was with Toews and Kane, but if he was with Sid/Geno, he'd get like 90 points
Versteeg has already surpassed the main candidates discussed in this thread. If his regular season production doesn't show it (it does per-game, but he doesn't have as many GP yet), his playoff record sure does (37 pts in 57 games, and a cup)

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07-24-2012, 01:31 PM
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Tro Murray

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About the same point as trading a 22 y/o Straka for a 31 y/o puck-moving d-man when you already have Larry Murphy... none.
Overlooking that Troy Murray was included in the deal. RHS center, solid defensively and on faceoffs. Murray contributed as a role player to the 1996 SC champions Avalanche.

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07-24-2012, 01:41 PM
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Kris Versteeg
versteeg has never led an nhl team in scoring

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07-24-2012, 01:42 PM
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Im going with Nelson Pyatt.

Pyatt led the horrible 1975-76 Caps with 49 points and was a 56, the second worst plus-minus of the season (and 16th-worst ever).

He only played two more full seasons with the Colorado Rockies before eventually getting bounced down to the minors and was out of the league entirely by the age of 26. Pyatt played fewer NHL games than Norm MacIver or Dick Tarnstrom or Terry Yake or Pat Falloon or anyone else who's been mentioned so far, and in an era where the competition for roster spots was probably lower.

(And yes, hes also the father of Taylor and Tom Pyatt.)
Good find.

Pyatt was an over achiever and also briefly retired to become a firefighter in 79 so he probably knew that he wasn't a star. He did come back and play briefly before cashing in with 2 years in Europe.

He also had the distinction of playing for 3 of the worst franchises in the 70's.

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For the Habs it's probably Yanic Perreault, although there are a couple of guys in the 30's, post Morenz-era that weren't exactly stars.

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07-24-2012, 01:50 PM
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Ron Sedlbauer

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40G 16A 56 points

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How is a Selke caliber forward the worst?
Considering Scott Pellerin recorded 3 points in 37 career playoff games - all from the ages of 27-31, when he was good for .42 points-per-game in the regular season - you'll understand if I don't shed any tears for having submitted his name here.

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07-24-2012, 01:51 PM
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Overlooking that Troy Murray was included in the deal. RHS center, solid defensively and on faceoffs. Murray contributed as a role player to the 1996 SC champions Avalanche.
Still a bad trade. Murray played less than 100 more NHL games after he was traded to the Pens. Straka had 64 points at age 21 the previous season. He played more than three times as many games as the other two did combined after the trade.

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Still a bad trade. Murray played less than 100 more NHL games after he was traded to the Pens. Straka had 64 points at age 21 the previous season. He played more than three times as many games as the other two did combined after the trade.
Not really a fair way to evaluate a veterans-to-a-playoff-team-from-a-bottom-dweller-for-youngsters trade. Pahlsson and Rolston played nearly 4 times as many games as Bourque and Andreychuk did after that trade, and that's even with Andreychuk playing way longer than anyone reasonably expected him to.


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Sergei Krivokrasov led the Predators in goals in their debut season.

Aaron Broten led the NJ Devils in scoring in their debut season. Nothing wrong with him as a player really, just never would thik of him as leading a team in scoring.

Bobby Leiter led the Atlanta Flames in scoring in their debut season.

Ken Schinkel led the 68-69 Penguins in scoring.

Doug Shedden led the 82-83 Penguins in scoring.

Paul Ysebaert led the 97-98 Lightning in scoring. Alex Selivanov and Mikael Renberg tied the team lead in goals scored, with 16. Rob Zamuner was next with 14.

Wally Hergesheimer led the 52-53 Rangers in scoring.

Larry Wilson led the 53-54 Black Hawks in scoring. He was 23 yrs old. He played a total of 152 NHL games and became a career AHLer 2 years later, (played for 13 more years and then 2 more years in the IHL).

Nelson Pyatt led the 75-76 Caps in scoring.

Gerry Ehman led the Seals in scoring in their debut season. He had been in the AHL for the four previous seasons and had played 18 total NHL games for the previous 8 seasons.

Dave Hrechkosy led the 74-75 Seals in goals (29). He played a total of 140 NHL games in his career.

Zdeno Ciger led the 95-96 Oilers in goals scored.

Walt McKechnie has the dubious distinction of leading in scoring for some team franchises worst seasons ever....76-77 Red Wings and 73-74 Seals.

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07-24-2012, 02:17 PM
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Sedlbauer, Leiter, Shedden, and Wilson are all worthy of another look (I'm personally only interested in guys who led the team in points.)

Hergesheimer was an excellent goalscorer with a short peak of top-7 seasons. No business in this thread.

Ysebaert, Broten and McKechnie are all pretty decent players, particularly the latter, who just about played 1000 games and had 600 points while being a pretty good two-way player.

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07-24-2012, 02:23 PM
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Not really a fair way to evaluate a veterans-to-a-playoff-team-from-a-bottom-dweller-for-youngsters trade. Pahlsson and Rolston played nearly 4 times as many games as Bourque and Andreychuk did after that trade, and that's even with Andreychuk playing way longer than anyone reasonably expected him to.
I understand that, but neither even lasted a full season with the Pens. It was testament to just how bad the Pens' defense was, that they would trade a fast, skilled 22 y/o for a 31 y/o mediocre d-man and a checking forward that retired after the following season.

Luckily, they got Straka back in '97-8, but they could have really used him in '96, esp. after Francis was injured. He scored a tie-breaking goal against them halfway through the 3rd period of game 6 in the ECF. That trade alone may have cost them a trip to the SCF.

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I understand that, but neither even lasted a full season with the Pens. It was testament to just how bad the Pens' defense was, that they would trade a fast, skilled 22 y/o for a 31 y/o mediocre d-man and a checking forward that retired after the following season.

Luckily, they got Straka back in '97-8, but they could have really used him in '96, esp. after Francis was injured. He scored a tie-breaking goal against them halfway through the 3rd period of game 6 in the ECF. That trade alone may have cost them a trip to the SCF.
wow, I had totally forgotten he was a Panther that year.

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Considering Scott Pellerin recorded 3 points in 37 career playoff games - all from the ages of 27-31, when he was good for .42 points-per-game in the regular season - you'll understand if I don't shed any tears for having submitted his name here.
Considering Pellerins job in the playoffs were to shadow players as much as possible it's not that bad. He's not an elite two-way player. Just defensive specialist who had some offensively decent regular season games because he could focus less on defense from time to time. He's far from as bad as other players mentioned who had average offensive skills and no defense at all. Like Belanger for example.

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I was going to come in here and mention Kistrich but holy eff these are some bad names being thrown around.

MacIver led a team in points? Give those fans a medal or something.

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Early 2000 Habs team can have some potential:

1999: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999%E2...nadiens_season
ZHoltok for goals, Rucinsky with 49 points for points

2000: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000%E2...nadiens_season
Savage (21) for goals, Petrov (47) for points

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/l...000452002.html : Yannick Perrault

That was bad.

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Not so much Rucinsky and Perreault, but.... wow, Petrov, really?

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Not so much Rucinsky and Perreault, but.... wow, Petrov, really?
From 1998 to 2001 we had 3 habs season with the highest scorer under 50 points (this is dead puck and lack of offensive talent, and must of all Koivu always hurt).

98-99: reechi (47 points)
99-00: rucinsky (49)
00-01: Petrov (47)

Perreault had a really good season the year after, and Donald Audette was a good first liner when playing with the Habs.

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Terry Yake, 1994 Ducks.

The guy barely earned an NHL pension.

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Alexander Daigle, 51 points for the Minnesota Wild in 03-04.

For reference: http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/MIN/2004.html
I bet if he got his head together he would've been an amazing player, pretty much Xavier Laflamme...

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Tyler Arnason on the 2004 Hawks..245 total points in 487 games. Out of the league at 30. Last seen in Europe and the minors.

Or Josef Vasicek on the Hurricanes the same year. 19 goals and 45 points also turned out to be his career best.

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I may add Kyle Calder for the 05/06 Hawks. Boy were the Hawks bad then.

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