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07-26-2012, 12:01 AM
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Except that his six 18+ goal seasons make him a veritable Bobby Hull compared to Belanger and Pyatt. He had more goals in his career than those two had points.
yeah but that was the era. he has just 14 career goals after adjustment.

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07-26-2012, 12:08 AM
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yeah but that was the era. he has just 14 career goals after adjustment.
... yeah, it was a bad era for sure

there were a lot of contenders from that era, no surprise

the large, continued disparities are amazing

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07-26-2012, 12:13 AM
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Haha, oh right! Forgot about his stint for the Wild. Dont think he is the worst though.
Don't think Pellerin is the worst, especially with some of the other names mentioned, but leading a team with 39 points despite being traded at the deadline is a category in itself.

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07-26-2012, 12:30 AM
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some pretty awful players here. I was always proud when leading my beer league in scoring, but I suppose my goal should be "less shame" more than pride!

Norm MacIver led the expansion Ottawa senators in 92-93 in scoring with 63 pts. MacIver was a halfway decent player, he did play 500 games, but the fact he outscored Jamie Baker by 15 points that year (2nd in Ottawa scoring) is even weirder.

Good thread, for July

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07-26-2012, 12:47 AM
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Vasicek is better and Petrov is atleast equally good. Vasicek is a top player in the KHL while Yake wasnt in the DEL. Same thing with Petrov really. Top player in Swizz-A league and Yake was above average in Swizz-B!
to be fair though, yake was 38 when he went to switzerland. petrov played in the swiss leagues from 25-27 and 32-35.

both guys spent prime years (late 20s) tearing up lower leagues. petrov in the italian and swiss leagues, yake in the AHL. to me they're both tweeners who were only in the league because of over-expansion, no different than belanger.

note also that petrov doesn't play a single full NHL season until 2001 (Age 29). this comes immediately after the league had just added four teams in three years. yake doesn't play his first full NHL season until 1994 (age 25). immediately after the league had added five teams in three years.

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ok, but to ask the opposite question, who is the best player to not lead an nhl team in scoring?

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ok, but to ask the opposite question, who is the best player to not lead an nhl team in scoring?
Jari Kurri? though I think he did it once after 99 was dealt

I'd say Glenn Anderson off the top of my head.

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Jari Kurri? though I think he did it once after 99 was dealt

I'd say Glenn Anderson off the top of my head.
i thought about kurri too, but he led the 88-89 oilers with 102 points, 2 points in front of jimmy carson

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ok, but to ask the opposite question, who is the best player to not lead an nhl team in scoring?
Assuming you mean scoring forwards.

Reggie Leach?

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it's too late to check through his whole career but my first guess would be henri richard.

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it's too late to check through his whole career but my first guess would be henri richard.
I had same thought... but he did lead at least one year.

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it's too late to check through his whole career but my first guess would be henri richard.
1962-63, Henri Richard led the Canadiens in scoring.

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Igor Larionov didnt lead a team in scoring did he? I don't think Bert Olmstead did either.

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Igor Larionov didnt lead a team in scoring did he?
Krutov didn't ... Kharlamov certainly didn't... etc.

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Krutov didn't ... Kharlamov certainly didn't... etc.
But Makarov did and he is two years older than Larionov.

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Best player?
without looking, I'd say Bert Olmstead.

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CYM, there have to be at least 10 better than Reggie Leach.

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Except that his six 18+ goal seasons make him a veritable Bobby Hull compared to Belanger and Pyatt. He had more goals in his career than those two had points.
That would be three 18+ goal seasons (not including the 40 goal year)... but I guess that still outdoes Belanger and Pyatt.

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ok, but to ask the opposite question, who is the best player to not lead an nhl team in scoring?
Doug Harvey

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Doug Harvey
That what I meant to post (and it's a pretty easy choice), but I figured he meant forwards.

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Although I don't agree, the highest ranked forward in terms of all-time lists, who never won a team scoring title, is probably Bob Gainey.

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Alex Delvecchio

Pretty sure Alex Delvecchio is the highest-scoring forward of all time to never lead his team in scoring. The downside of having your career overlap with Gordie Howe's...

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Sedlbauer, Leiter, Shedden, and Wilson are all worthy of another look (I'm personally only interested in guys who led the team in points.)

Hergesheimer was an excellent goalscorer with a short peak of top-7 seasons. No business in this thread.

Ysebaert, Broten and McKechnie are all pretty decent players, particularly the latter, who just about played 1000 games and had 600 points while being a pretty good two-way player.
I know nothing about Hergesheimer. Looks like he may have had an injury bug or something, played 351 total games....could also be a case of good but not able to crack the original 6 lineups....lots of guys got lost in the minors during those years.

I have nothing against Ysebaert, Broten and McKechnie and agree with your assessment, I just don't see them as go-to point leaders. They were tops more out of default I guess.

Poor McKechnie, played on some gawdaful teams, wonder if he though of himself as an albatross or something.

We have to put this in perspective....around here folks can rail on a player, saying he sucks and whatnot....but then you have to understand that they are playing in the world's top professional hockey league....no mean feat for sure.

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I know nothing about Hergesheimer. Looks like he may have had an injury bug or something, played 351 total games....could also be a case of good but not able to crack the original 6 lineups....lots of guys got lost in the minors during those years.
I really find 50's hockey interesting. Maybe because I was a kid then and really becoming passionate about the game.

I can remember when Hergesheimer played. Didn't make it until 25. Had 4 great years surrounding one injury season but was finished pretty much by age 30. What happened? Anybody out there know.

Larry Wilson is another interesting case. Red wings gave him a shot then traded him to the Hawks. Had a couple of decent seasons there & then went to the AHL where he was a top player for years. Never given another NHL shot.

Both Hergesheimer & Wilson had their top scorer NHL seasons on last place teams. Boy, it was tough to make it in those days. If you looked at the coach the wrong way you could get buried in the minors.

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