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07-27-2012, 02:58 AM
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Semin's pretty smart.

He knows no team is going to give him a huge, long-term Shea Weber-Style contract, so he keeps signing 1-year deals to maximize the $$$-value.

The guy's now picked up almost $20 million in 3 years of free agency.

Still, can't think of too many free agents I would rather the Oilers sign less than him.
He's smart because he signs the only offers he can get?! OK.

Dude is dumb if you ask me. Working from 1 year deal to the next is risky. In this game you're a shift away from a career limiting or ending injury.

I'm sure that the NHLPA has sat down with him in more than one occasion to advise him against this.

I'll be surprised if he isn't in the KHL within 2 years on a long term, big money deal.

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07-27-2012, 07:46 AM
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He's smart because he signs the only offers he can get?! OK.

Dude is dumb if you ask me. Working from 1 year deal to the next is risky. In this game you're a shift away from a career limiting or ending injury.

I'm sure that the NHLPA has sat down with him in more than one occasion to advise him against this.

I'll be surprised if he isn't in the KHL within 2 years on a long term, big money deal.
Semin, almost certainly has taken out a very expensive insurance, policy to guard against long term injury.

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He's smart because he signs the only offers he can get?! OK.

Dude is dumb if you ask me. Working from 1 year deal to the next is risky. In this game you're a shift away from a career limiting or ending injury.

I'm sure that the NHLPA has sat down with him in more than one occasion to advise him against this.

I'll be surprised if he isn't in the KHL within 2 years on a long term, big money deal.
The way he plays, he isn't likely to get hit. Let alone get hurt. "If you hit me I'm gonna slap you!"

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07-27-2012, 09:29 AM
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If Semin was LW would you have considered signing him?

I still say no.

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07-27-2012, 09:39 AM
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If Semin was LW would you have considered signing him?

I still say no.
I wouldn't want that guy anywhere near Yakupov.

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I wouldn't want that guy anywhere near Yakupov.
Why? For all I've heard of Semin's alleged character flaws, being a bad teammate or negative influence isn't one of them.

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I think the general opinion on Semin is overblown and exaggerated. I think his incredibly private and quite demeanor irritates media personnel who then interpret his reclusive personality as "not caring." Obviously he has his problems and some comments (such as former teammate) regarding Semin have been quite damning. Nevertheless, the guy produces offensively. I wouldn't want him on the Oilers but mostly because he is the last type of player the Oilers need.

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07-27-2012, 10:13 AM
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Why? For all I've heard of Semin's alleged character flaws, being a bad teammate or negative influence isn't one of them.
Did you not see this?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373966

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"I think our locker room was maybe a little bit too nonchalant, and guys weren't disciplined the way they should have been," Bradely told TEAM 1200. "Those two things are big things. It wasn't that guys were going out the night before a game, but not being ready to practice or missing practice with questionable injuries and not being focused."

Bradley went on to cite Alexander Semin's lack of output in the post-season as part of the reason for the Capitals' failures the past few seasons, saying he has the potential to be the best player in the league but hasn't performed when it mattered.

"I don't mind saying Alexander Semin's name because he's one guy who has so much talent, he could easily be the best player in the league, and for whatever reason just doesn't care," Bradley said. "When you've got a guy like that you need him to be your best player, or one of your best players, and when he doesn't show up, you almost get the sense that he wants to be back in Russia. That's tough to win when you've got a guy like that who's supposed to be your best player not being your best player. Or one of your best players."

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07-27-2012, 10:30 AM
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I can't understand people defending Semin.

It's clear that not too many people want him. The only team he's ever played for in the NHL who have yet to replace him didn't even want him after a month of free agency.

The guy has played with some elite players over the years and has never had to be the 'guy' for WSH.

Like I said earlier, maybe some good old Canadian boys will help him out, but I don't even know if that's the case. He's own countryman and possibly the best Russian in the game couldn't get him going, so good like Staals.

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07-27-2012, 10:36 AM
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I can't understand people defending Semin.

It's clear that not too many people want him. The only team he's ever played for in the NHL who have yet to replace him didn't even want him after a month of free agency.

The guy has played with some elite players over the years and has never had to be the 'guy' for WSH.

Like I said earlier, maybe some good old Canadian boys will help him out, but I don't even know if that's the case. He's own countryman and possibly the best Russian in the game couldn't get him going, so good like Staals.
Very few people in the world can do this:



Carolina is a better team with him on the roster.

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07-27-2012, 10:48 AM
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What makes this funny is that this was after the 2011 playoffs where Semin scored four goals and six points in 9 games? Bradley probably could have picked his spot better.

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07-27-2012, 10:51 AM
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Very few people in the world can do this:



Carolina is a better team with him on the roster.
Yup. Guy is a shade below a PPG on his career, yet somehow he needs to take another step? Playing with a big centre like Staal squared that can open up some space is going to make him deadly.

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I can't understand people defending Semin.

It's clear that not too many people want him. The only team he's ever played for in the NHL who have yet to replace him didn't even want him after a month of free agency.

The guy has played with some elite players over the years and has never had to be the 'guy' for WSH.

Like I said earlier, maybe some good old Canadian boys will help him out, but I don't even know if that's the case. He's own countryman and possibly the best Russian in the game couldn't get him going, so good like Staals.
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/20...emin-arguments

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2012/0...f-performance/

http://www.fearthefin.com/2012/6/28/...lexander-semin

http://www.anguscertified.com/alexan...he-10-percent/

http://theleafsnation.com/2012/7/9/t...lexander-semin

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I can't understand people defending Semin.

It's clear that not too many people want him. The only team he's ever played for in the NHL who have yet to replace him didn't even want him after a month of free agency.

The guy has played with some elite players over the years and has never had to be the 'guy' for WSH.

Like I said earlier, maybe some good old Canadian boys will help him out, but I don't even know if that's the case. He's own countryman and possibly the best Russian in the game couldn't get him going, so good like Staals.
Exactly. Probably half the teams in the league are staved for offense, and yet it still took this long for one of them to take a flyer on Semin. That's gotta to say a lot about the player... as in he's got other issues that make most teams nervous.

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07-27-2012, 11:29 AM
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Exactly. Probably half the teams in the league are staved for offense, and yet it still took this long for one of them to take a flyer on Semin. That's gotta to say a lot about the player... as in he's got other issues that make most teams nervous.
His reported attitude problems would make me hesitant to sign him long term but a one year deal is fine.

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07-27-2012, 12:33 PM
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I think Matt Bradley's comments Are indicative of hIs character Moreso than Semin's. I'm sure every locker room has guys who feel other guys need to pick up the slack, but naming names is rare and probably goes against most players "code", (I assume a coach saying this would be more realistic).

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Enstrom signs extension. No details yet.

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I am amused when people post that the oilers window of winning is closing it has not opened yet and more over the window for us winning opens in 4 years and will last 6 years

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I have never understood these statements:

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Like a reporter is going to find out, it's going to be public, it's going to make it's way onto capgeek, etc. Who cares if it takes 30 mins for someone to report it or the team releases it themselves?

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Like a reporter is going to find out, it's going to be public, it's going to make it's way onto capgeek, etc. Who cares if it takes 30 mins for someone to report it or the team releases it themselves?
Yep, always frustrated me. Was refreshing to see the Oilers, and some other teams, start announcing the salaries right away.

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Like a reporter is going to find out, it's going to be public, it's going to make it's way onto capgeek, etc. Who cares if it takes 30 mins for someone to report it or the team releases it themselves?
I always thought that maybe there was a legality behind it, but it's completely random in the NHL.

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Exactly. Probably half the teams in the league are staved for offense, and yet it still took this long for one of them to take a flyer on Semin. That's gotta to say a lot about the player... as in he's got other issues that make most teams nervous.
Or there's widespread xenophobia and superstitious ideas amongst GMs about what constitutes an acceptable player.

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Or there's widespread xenophobia and superstitious ideas amongst GMs about what constitutes an acceptable player.
bingo. But then anyone who acknowledges the term 'good old Canadian boy' as being a good descriptor will no doubt continue the charade of Canadian Supremacy.
Semin is a great player. He's also quiet. Just look at Pitkanen for a closer to home example. Who cares where he is from? The only reason Semin gets so much flak is because he is Russian and in North America we somehow associate Russia with evil.
We love to hate them but when questioned why, there is no valid excuse.

If Semin didn't struggle with the English language, this wouldn't be an issue.

Pitkanen is working fine in Carolina. Semin will too.

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bingo. But then anyone who acknowledges the term 'good old Canadian boy' as being a good descriptor will no doubt continue the charade of Canadian Supremacy.
Semin is a great player. He's also quiet. Just look at Pitkanen for a closer to home example. Who cares where he is from? The only reason Semin gets so much flak is because he is Russian and in North America we somehow associate Russia with evil.
We love to hate them but when questioned why, there is no valid excuse.

If Semin didn't struggle with the English language, this wouldn't be an issue.

Pitkanen is working fine in Carolina. Semin will too.
They aren't the same, though.

When teammates come out and say things like "we used to take bets on when he'd fake an injury to get out of practice", there's probably something more foul going on than "he's Russian".

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