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07-24-2012, 11:58 AM
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To CBJ: Jonathan Bernier + Brad Richardson + Thomas Hickey





To LA: LA's 1st '13 + NYR 1st '13




Gives LA two very late first rounders (good value for Bernier in a small market). While CBJ gets a #1 goalie this season and beyond as well as Richardson 3rd liner who could easily play on their 2nd line.

Edit: Threw in Thomas Hickey for good measure, give our kids who can't crack a tough lineup a chance to play.

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Doubt Columbus would bite.

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I could definitely see CBJ being interested in Bernier but I assume they see having 3 firsts in a crazy deep draft as an opportunity to set their franchise in the right direction long term. Also they just traded for Bob and they may be content with hoping he or Mason can prove himself behind their best D in a while.

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To CBJ: Jonathan Bernier + Brad Richardson + Thomas Hickey





To LA: LA's 1st '13 + NYR 1st '13




Gives LA two very late first rounders (good value for Bernier in a small market). While CBJ gets a #1 goalie this season and beyond as well as Richardson 3rd liner who could easily play on their 2nd line.

Edit: Threw in Thomas Hickey for good measure, give our kids who can't crack a tough lineup a chance to play.
I don't think Columbus needs more defensive prospects, and they seem to have something of a glut down the middle now.

Something around Bernier and one of the two 1sts might make sense, though.

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To CBJ: Jonathan Bernier + Brad Richardson + Thomas Hickey





To LA: LA's 1st '13 + NYR 1st '13




Gives LA two very late first rounders (good value for Bernier in a small market). While CBJ gets a #1 goalie this season and beyond as well as Richardson 3rd liner who could easily play on their 2nd line.

Edit: Threw in Thomas Hickey for good measure, give our kids who can't crack a tough lineup a chance to play.
To CBJ: Jonathan Bernier + Brad Richardson





To LA: LA's 1st '13 + CBL 3rd

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To CBJ: Jonathan Bernier + Brad Richardson + Thomas Hickey





To LA: LA's 1st '13 + NYR 1st '13




Gives LA two very late first rounders (good value for Bernier in a small market). While CBJ gets a #1 goalie this season and beyond as well as Richardson 3rd liner who could easily play on their 2nd line.

Edit: Threw in Thomas Hickey for good measure, give our kids who can't crack a tough lineup a chance to play.
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This will be difficult to respond properly to without breaking site rules, but I'll do my best.

*ahem*

We had no use or desire for Thomas Hickey when he was being suggested as a possibility in the ancient days of yore after he was drafted. We continued to have no use for him after we started getting a few blueline prospects of note of our own. Guys like John Moore and David Savard come to mind.

We have since added Ryan Murray and Tim Erixon. We rebuilt the blueline as well on the roster. Tyutin-Nikitin as a pairing was being compared to Suter-Weber by advanced stat folks (no, really), and JMFJ-Wisniewski was a plus pairing last year. We have one spot available for which FOUR top quality defense prospects will be competing.

AND YET, you STILL have the umitigated GALL to try to throw Hickey in our direction as though he has any value to us whatsoever, and you "justify" it with "giving him a chance to play"?

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To CBJ: Jonathan Bernier + Brad Richardson

To LA: LA's 1st '13 + CBL 3rd
Problem #1: Our 3rd will be in the hands of the New York Rangers from now until they make the Cup finals. If they don't make the Cup finals this year... well, they're keeping it.

Problem #3: Brad Richardson adds nothing useful or substantial to this team. We have more than enough bottom-6 guys, thanks.

Problem #2: Bernier is unproven. There is a huge, raging debate over whether or not it's worth picking him up going on at the CBJ boards. I am part of the faction that says that if we give up anything more than we gave up for Sergei Bobrovsky, we are being ripped off. This crosses that line.

So I don't think we'd go for this one.

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I'm just really, really sick and tired of getting "offers" from people who Did Not Do The Research. It's insulting.


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I usually might think about a 1st for Bernier. The thing is I'm not really sure the difference between between Bernier and Bobrovsky is a first round pick. Nor has Bernier done enough to justify that.

But yea, two firsts for Bernier and couple of smaller pieces? Thats a big no.

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It's not a bad proposal, but as an LA fan personally I'd still like to keep Hickey.

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07-24-2012, 12:18 PM
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I'm just really, really sick and tired of getting "offers" from people who Did Not Do The Research. It's insulting.


So counter... I believe the value to be close maybe i'm off on the fit, that's where you come in, knowing your teams needs better than i.



To CBJ: Bernier + Dwight King



To LA: LA 1st + NYR 1st

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Bernier
Clifford
Kings 2nd





Kings 1st
Rangers 1st

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With Mason and Bobrovsky, I don't really see Bernier as being much of an upgrade. Richardson is your average 3rd line player, and Hickey would be somewhat redundant with Erixon, Murray, and Savard all coming up the pipeline and close to competing for spots.

I'd say Columbus passes and sticks with the three 1sts in this draft (unless they're competing for a spot at the Trade Deadline...then maybe they move one or two).

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To the previous proposals. No. No. No. No.

Its not just about value. But team needs.

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Several problems with the OPs proposal (and I'm going to ignore the Kings fans counters asking for a ton of firsts and giving up roster players off our SC winning team, that includes our 13th forward, Clifford, for just late round 1sts)

1) After Bernier, Kings are very thin at NHL-ready goalies...the proposal does not have a goalie coming back

2) Throwing in Hickey who CBJ doesn't value thus getting us poor return for him and ignores CBJs needs; same with Richardson who the Kings can use as a valuable reserve

3) Asking for way too much stuff, especially stuff that CBJ needs for their rebuild

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Columbus are at the contract limit aren't they? So they can't trade picks for players

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It doesn't work for either team. Columbus already has a decent trio of young goalies in Mason, Bob, and York, and moreso need quality young players to rebuild their roster.

LA wants to contend now and not later. So they are looking for a key roster player as the main piece in a trade for Bernier not picks. Maybe something around Dubinsky (If he returns to top 6 form) + one of their young goaltenders for Bernier come deadline.

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ok maybe try this Bernier and any two of the following Andrei Loktionov Brandon Kozun Stefan Legein scored anyones rights we have playing in europe (moller Justin Azevedo hollaway ) or richardson for the kings frist columbus 2nd mason and if u need to dump a contract add one if not fine

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LA wants to contend now and not later. So they are looking for a key roster player as the main piece in a trade for Bernier not picks. Maybe something around Dubinsky (If he returns to top 6 form) + one of their young goaltenders for Bernier come deadline.
No, our roster is just fine as it is so we don't need to add. We could use picks or prospects, not roster players.

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Columbus needs at least 2 1st's in this upcoming draft given the fact that Howson is now rebuilding the team.

I wouldn't be against acquiring Bernier, but Mason should be going back in the deal and there shouldn't be more than one 1st involved.

Maybe something like:

LAK - LA 1st 2013, Matt Calvert, Steve Mason

CBJ - Jonathan Bernier, maybe a dump or something.

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Columbus needs at least 2 1st's in this upcoming draft given the fact that Howson is now rebuilding the team.

I wouldn't be against acquiring Bernier, but Mason should be going back in the deal and there shouldn't be more than one 1st involved.

Maybe something like:

LAK - LA 1st 2013, Matt Calvert, Steve Mason

CBJ - Jonathan Bernier, maybe a dump or something.
counter proposal:

LAK: LA's choice of either LA's 1st or NY's 1st, 3rd, Mason

CBJ: Bernier

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I'm just really, really sick and tired of getting "offers" from people who Did Not Do The Research. It's insulting.
This from the guy who claimed Lokitinov was a winger
Need to chill out man

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Columbus needs at least 2 1st's in this upcoming draft given the fact that Howson is now rebuilding the team.

I wouldn't be against acquiring Bernier, but Mason should be going back in the deal and there shouldn't be more than one 1st involved.

Maybe something like:

LAK - LA 1st 2013, Matt Calvert, Steve Mason

CBJ - Jonathan Bernier, maybe a dump or something.
As a Kings fan, I'd take this without a second thought.

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So what happens when Quick gets injured?

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Columbus needs at least 2 1st's in this upcoming draft given the fact that Howson is now rebuilding the team.

I wouldn't be against acquiring Bernier, but Mason should be going back in the deal and there shouldn't be more than one 1st involved.

Maybe something like:

LAK - LA 1st 2013, Matt Calvert, Steve Mason

CBJ - Jonathan Bernier, maybe a dump or something.
That looks like a great deal to me.

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