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08-26-2012, 02:20 PM
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Did sid have that corny old reel-to-reel tape recorder or whatever it is he has?

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08-26-2012, 02:25 PM
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Did sid have that corny old reel-to-reel tape recorder or whatever it is he has?
Not sure, I just saw it on Twitter, but I'm sure Sid babbled into the microphone and tried bragging about all his "good friends" in the hockey world. Hope for Fletch's sake that nobody brings up any Rubio/Granlund comparisons.

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08-27-2012, 11:26 AM
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And yet the NHL is making record profits....

I'm really not buying a single damn second of the "poor me" crap from the owners. I have an extremely hard time believing that owners actually need revenue ratios to go anywhere near extreme as their initial offer implies.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the initial offer from the NHLPA also cover a change in the ratio, benefiting owners? And that wasn't good enough?

It's clearly an issue of the obscenely rich getting richer and the average Joe getting the shaft.
Revenues and profits are two almost completely unrelated things. Yes the league has record revenues, but they also have record expenses. The actual profit that any of these teams (outside of a few very specific rare cases) is kept completely secret. The closest guess is from Forbes who claims that 20 teams are making an accounting loss.

As for the NHLPA offer, you're wrong. It didn't change the ratio or anything. In fact, their offer was a way bigger joke than the original offer the owners submitted. The NHLPA offer de-linked salaries and revenues for three years, with an option to re-link them in the fourth. If league revenues grew at some ridiculous, unsustainable rate that would have never happened, it would have lowered the players share. However, the entire proposal was a pathetic joke in the first place that had no positive attributes.

If you're concerned about "the rich getting richer" it's completely inexcusable to say a positive thing about that group of 700 millionaires so many people think are such downtrodden, abused employees.

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08-27-2012, 11:32 AM
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How I understand it is that when the books are cooked in sports accounting, the opposite is true. They way they accomplish this is with the other companies they do business with, such as how the Wild do business with the company that does all the vending at games and such. The money exchange is such that that the team makes no profit from the venture, that way all that profit is free for the side company to make.

This method of book cooking is used in the movie business too, which is how some of the better grossing movies of the last decade or so have "lost" money.
It's cooking of books. While teams would like to minimize revenue (to reduce salary expense as they're hard linked) the way teams generally make money is from things like arena ownership or management. For example, the Wild manage the Xcel. They are the ones who get paid for concerts, events, and other such things. Having a big draw team like the Wild makes it possible to run the arena profitably, so even if they operate at a loss, it's more valuable to the company to keep paying for the team.

I don't know how the lease or Arena Management Agreement with the City of St. Paul is set up, but in cases where a team owns the arena (let's take MTS Centre in Winnipeg, owned by TNSE like the Jets) some of their expenses are actually paid to themselves. With the exception of teams like the Leafs/Habs/Rangers/etc, teams don't make much of a profit, nor do they want to. The proposed QC owners own a cable network. So they make a profit from the TV broadcasts and it helps their other business assets to own the team.

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08-27-2012, 12:00 PM
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I wonder how many of these issues are being caused by Ed Snider and Dick Peddie?

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08-27-2012, 12:12 PM
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Revenues and profits are two almost completely unrelated things. Yes the league has record revenues, but they also have record expenses. The actual profit that any of these teams (outside of a few very specific rare cases) is kept completely secret. The closest guess is from Forbes who claims that 20 teams are making an accounting loss.

As for the NHLPA offer, you're wrong. It didn't change the ratio or anything. In fact, their offer was a way bigger joke than the original offer the owners submitted. The NHLPA offer de-linked salaries and revenues for three years, with an option to re-link them in the fourth. If league revenues grew at some ridiculous, unsustainable rate that would have never happened, it would have lowered the players share. However, the entire proposal was a pathetic joke in the first place that had no positive attributes.

If you're concerned about "the rich getting richer" it's completely inexcusable to say a positive thing about that group of 700 millionaires so many people think are such downtrodden, abused employees.
Agreed

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08-27-2012, 04:04 PM
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i was wondering of the 3.3 billion in nhl rev what is the nhl's cut? (not the owners) is there a warchest of cash sitting somewhere that bettman manages? im talking about the money they use to keep the phx alive, etc.

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08-27-2012, 06:54 PM
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When did Lundin sign with Ottawa? Just looked him up on NHL.com and he's a Sen.

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08-27-2012, 06:58 PM
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In the same day as Gui did.

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Interesting read on Parise, Mitchell, and Konopka.



http://www.boucherscouting.com/2012/...g-reports.html
I think this a bunch of bull, but I hope his, ummm..., unconventional analysis is dead on since he ranked Torry Mitchell and Parise so high.

That Parise should rank high is a Mr Obvious conclusion; hope Mitchell preforms much better in MN than he did as a Shark.

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Winners: Minnesota Wild - The signing of Zach Parise and Ryan Suter means long-suffering Wild fans will finally get to see the team win something, when Craig Leipold accepts the 2013 Oscar for “best performance by an owner pretending that player salaries are some sort of problem”.

Losers: Detroit Red Wings – May not have added any big names but also didn’t lose anyone important, according to your Red Wing fan friend as he casually scans the “trade”, “draft” and “free agency” section of the transactions page before arriving at “retirements” and immediately turning into the guy from Munch’s The Scream
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08-28-2012, 09:59 AM
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Wings fans remind me of Packers fans. They weren't worried about Favre leaving because of Rodgers. Let's hope that doesn't happen again.

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08-28-2012, 10:25 AM
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That Down Goes Brown blog is pretty funny.

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Winners: Columbus Blue Jackets - Achieved their goal in the Rick Nash trade by acquiring multiple players who could immediately step in to play on the team’s top line, although in fairness they also could have accomplished that by randomly signing tenants from the local seniors’ home.
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Loser: New York Islanders – Despite a handful of roster moves, still can’t reasonably be expected to compete in an Atlantic Division where every other team has the unfair advantage of getting to play multiple games against the New York Islanders.

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08-28-2012, 10:36 AM
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Wings fans remind me of Packers fans. They weren't worried about Favre leaving because of Rodgers. Let's hope that doesn't happen again.
Not similiar at all.

Here's how the Packer-Favre debate went down:

Inside Wisconsin Media: Favre has been great to the Packers over the years, but his annual "will-he, won't he" retirement issues are creating massive uncertainity in the organization. This has been a problem for years. But now the Packers have a replacement for Favre in Rodgers, and it is time to change.

Outside Wisconsin Media: Packers are turning their backs on Favre and are toast without him.

Here's the Lidstrom debate:

Inside Michigan: No replacement for Lidstrom. The Wings begged him to say as long as possible.

Outside Michigan: No replacement for Lidstrom.

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08-28-2012, 12:34 PM
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Yeah, Packers fans had faith that Rodgers (and remember, they finished 6-10 that year) could be their quarterback of the future because he had been groomed for however many years and were sick of the whole Favre situation.

Red Wings fans are convinced they will make the playoffs because they're the Red Wings, and recently, that's what they've done. None of them seem to understand that those Red Wings from 66-83, who made the playoffs twice in 17 years, winning all of 2 preliminary round games and 1 quarterfinal game (2-0 in prelims, 1-8 in QF) were there for a long time too. They don't have faith in a replacement, they just think they get an automatic playoff berth because that's how they think it works.

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08-28-2012, 05:34 PM
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Its Hockeybuzz but they ranked LaPanta and Greenlay 26th out of 30 announcing teams

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(26) Minnesota -- Anthony LaPanta and Mike Greenlay

This ranking is a bit of an unknown, with LaPanta coming in to fill the vacancy left by the departed Dan Terhaar. If you're looking for a positive, it's that Terhaar was one of the worst PxP guys in the business, comically missing the play, mispronouncing names, and putting a pro-Wild spin on things at any passing chance. LaPanta's been prepped by Fox Sports North for this role for quite some time; he's loved by the company, and has made the rounds. Unfortunately, this is his first NHL-level call.

I don't have a whole lot to say on Greenlay. He was Terhaar-lite. Perhaps LaPanta can come in and turn the broadcast in a positive direction.

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Should be lower.

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08-28-2012, 06:25 PM
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He didn't seem to like Terhaar... Hockeybuzz finally got something right?

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ranked by a Sens blogger on a site which employs Eklund. the chances of bias and improbability are better than average.

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http://starsblog.dallasnews.com/2012...see-it-2.html/ here is a cba article from a dallas reporter mike heika

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08-28-2012, 08:19 PM
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yeah, i dislike the idea of being forced to spend a certain amount but then again it prevents some owners from just throwing out a **** team and sucking off the revenue-sharing teet. or actually it doesn't prevent that, does it? you just end up paying crap players more than they're worth. hmm...

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The Essentials: Minnesota Wild Edition

Somebody from here wrote the article.

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LiG in the house. I'm surprised someone from Wilderness wasn't all over that, actually.

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Maybe they refused?

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Maybe they refused?
not saying i would have preferred one person over another but i was expecting it to be Wilderness since that's the first blog that always seems to come up when someone mentions the Wild--aside from Russo's naturally.

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