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Rangers Prospect Poll: #3

View Poll Results: Who is our #3 prospect?
D Brady Skjei 1 1.02%
C Michael St. Croix 1 1.02%
D Dylan McIlrath 19 19.39%
C J.T. Miller 71 72.45%
RW Christian Thomas 3 3.06%
RW Jesper Fasth 3 3.06%
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07-25-2012, 09:37 AM
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Rangers Prospect Poll: #3

Carl Hagelin won the last round and C Michael St. Croix got a spot in the poll.

Please write who you want added to the poll, and give a reason for it. This makes the discussion here more lively.


THE RULES

WHO IS A PROSPECT: We can't all have different standards based on what we each want personally. We are on the HF board, so let's follow their rules. The standard for what's a prospect is here: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/whatmakesaprospect

* Please don't write that so-and-so should or should not be a prospect. It's not up to each individual here to decide, it's up to the HF rules.

HOW TO RANK PROSPECTS: Based on their value in a hypothetical trade or waiver draft. This takes into consideration a prospect's ceiling, how close he's to making it, his health, work ethic, the whole deal. Imagine there was a prospect waiver draft and you could keep only one prospect. That guy is our #1 prospect. Then imagine we had one more waiver protection. That guy is our #2 prospect.


TOP PROSPECTS

1. LW Chris Kreider
2. LW Carl Hagelin

Carl Hagelin
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Born Aug 23 1988 -- Sodertalje, Sweden
Height 5.11 -- Weight 176 -- Shoots L

2011-12 New York Rangers NHL 64 14 24 38

He has done so much because of his speed, and he has made himself better each year by preparing in the off-season and getting as strong as he can for his size. He's also an elite character kid because you don't usually see a Swedish kid that's the captain of a U.S. college team.
- Gordie Clark in 2011


"He sort of began as an energy penalty-killer for them (Michigan) as a freshman, and now he plays in a lot of big roles... He has just steadily improved. He's really fast, and he's gotten stronger and faster each year."
- Gordie Clark in 2010.



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07-25-2012, 09:39 AM
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I will go with McIlrath. I think there is a better chance he'll be a top-4 defenseman than that Miller will be a top-6 forward.

Add Hrivik for his huge playoff performance. It was only a few games, but that was some dominant job he did on the AHLers. Hopefully he'll continue to improve.

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McIlrath add Fogarty

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The only LW prospects we have are our #1 and #2.

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Miller just edges out Thomas and McIlrath because he appears to be closer to NHL ready than the other two. Thomas has more upside, in my opinion, but Miller can fill more roles in the NHL.

Add Yogan.

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I am going to say Fasth as he has more high end skill than any prospect in the mix presently. Yogan

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Miller, add Yogan.
Ditto.

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Miller just edges out Thomas and McIlrath because he appears to be closer to NHL ready than the other two. Thomas has more upside, in my opinion, but Miller can fill more roles in the NHL.

Add Yogan.

McIlrath is closer to making the NHL than Miller.

He certainly has the body for it, and his skating is there or almost there as well. His first pass out of the zone is very solid and he can skate the puck out when needed. His positioning is getting progressively better and he doesn't get out of position just to make a hit.

An identical player who was 28 years old would be a #7 defenseman on some teams right now, but obviously you don't want to have your 20-year-old top-10 prospect sitting and watching.

If McIlrath continues to progress nicely, he could be in the NHL before the end of the season. Everyone said in 2010 that he will be a 4-5 year project. Well, they were almost definitely wrong because he's progressing faster than people originally expected.

And how could you not like a top-10 pick who's progressing better than expected?

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Miller. Add Yogan.

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Miller. Nieves.

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McIlrath is closer to making the NHL than Miller.

He certainly has the body for it, and his skating is there or almost there as well. His first pass out of the zone is very solid and he can skate the puck out when needed. His positioning is getting progressively better and he doesn't get out of position just to make a hit.

An identical player who was 28 years old would be a #7 defenseman on some teams right now, but obviously you don't want to have your 20-year-old top-10 prospect sitting and watching.

If McIlrath continues to progress nicely, he could be in the NHL before the end of the season. Everyone said in 2010 that he will be a 4-5 year project. Well, they were almost definitely wrong because he's progressing faster than people originally expected.

And how could you not like a top-10 pick who's progressing better than expected?
I disagree. Miller has NHL size, skating, and hockey IQ. It's just a matter of whether or not he can translate his scoring to that level at this point in his development. McIlrath has a great set of tools, but still hasn't put them all together yet. His gap control needs work, and as a physical d-man, he needs time to learn how to pick his battles.

I'd put money on Miller getting a look in the NHL well before McIlrath does.

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The only LW prospects we have are our #1 and #2.
And both will be graduating this year.

I voted McIlrath this time, even though I went Miller at #2. I'm really vacillating between them, as from what I know about them they have comparable upsides and risks.

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Mcilrath...I think there's a good chance he'll turn out to be a physical #4, and maybe more. I also think he'll def be on the opening night roster by next season. Miller I like but I'm not sure of his chances to become a top-six, 50 point guy. I think he can definitely be a good 3rd line C, a lesser Arnott.

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Easily Miller!
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And both will be graduating this year.

I voted McIlrath this time, even though I went Miller at #2. I'm really vacillating between them, as from what I know about them they have comparable upsides and risks.

Except that it's much harder to acquire a top-4 defenseman than a tweener forward.

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I disagree. Miller has NHL size, skating, and hockey IQ. It's just a matter of whether or not he can translate his scoring to that level at this point in his development. McIlrath has a great set of tools, but still hasn't put them all together yet. His gap control needs work, and as a physical d-man, he needs time to learn how to pick his battles.

I'd put money on Miller getting a look in the NHL well before McIlrath does.
Regardless, what does this have to do with who is the better prospect?

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I voted Miller. I think he will be a productive player for us, the kind of do it all Center that helps teams win. Like his edge too.

TBH I am still very skeptical of McIlrath being able to play competent enough defense to be a second pairing guy. We'll see.

Add Hrivik, don't know how he slipped my mind last round.

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Miller, add Hrivik because of his ability to produce in the AHL at the end of last year

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Miller... again. And add Yogan.

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I think Miller is highly overrated on this board, but I'll be more than happy to eat crow in the future when it comes to JT.

Voted McIlrath, add Yogan

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