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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Bobby Hunting [All Bobby Ryan Discussion | Part VI]

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07-26-2012, 03:12 PM
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Yup only way is Turris +++
but Sens won't part with Kyle
The Senators could not in good conscience pass up a deal for Ryan because it included Turris. In fact, it would have to include something more valuable, and that is the piece I could see them fretting over.

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07-26-2012, 03:12 PM
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Flyers are not going to give up Schenn or Couts for him, so I just do not see a deal working out.

Have no fear Flyers fan, just like in Saving Private Ryan.. when Captain Miller brings private James Ryan home.

When Bobby Ryan becomes a UFA, Captain Paul Holmgren will bring our boy home..

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07-26-2012, 03:20 PM
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Ryan is worth more than one of these players. Voracek is the least valuable of the group and won't get you an elite player like Ryan for sure, even if you add a 1st and a good prospect.
Voracek, Laughton and a 1st is worth far more than Ryan...

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07-26-2012, 03:27 PM
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Still don't get the hate on Read. A 50 point, C/LW in his rookie year with a small contract and plays outstanding 2-way hockey and an incredibly fast skater.

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Voracek, Laughton and a 1st is worth far more than Ryan...
Really? Wasnt Rick Nash just traded for Anisimov + Dubinsky + Erixon + 1st and everyone thought that was bad value for Columbus. I'd take that return over Voracek + Laughton + Philly 1st anyday.

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07-26-2012, 03:34 PM
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Still don't get the hate on Read. A 50 point, C/LW in his rookie year with a small contract and plays outstanding 2-way hockey and an incredibly fast skater.
Little early to call him 50 point player, isn't it? Or a center for that matter, how many games has played at center professionally, 1?

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07-26-2012, 03:37 PM
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Little early to call him 50 point player, isn't it? Or a center for that matter, how many games has played at center professionally, 1?
24g 23a. Oh I'm sorry, 3 points away doesn't count. And yes, he plays center. He doesn't ALWAYS play center since we have so many centers on the team though.

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Still don't get the hate on Read. A 50 point, C/LW in his rookie year with a small contract and plays outstanding 2-way hockey and an incredibly fast skater.
Cool than keep your undersized player that we do not need

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07-26-2012, 03:47 PM
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24g 23a. Oh I'm sorry, 3 points away doesn't count. And yes, he plays center. He doesn't ALWAYS play center since we have so many centers on the team though.
1 season, buddy let's see if he can keep this pace for little while longer. Yeah he's 7th on the Flyers center depth chart with fop of 41, very impressive. We sure as hell would like him as our 2nd line center though. His only future in the NHL is as a winger.

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07-26-2012, 04:04 PM
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Ryan is a RW playing the left side because he's the 3rd-best RW on the team. But to your point, the top 30 LWs last season ranged from 50-83 points. That means Ryan's 4-yr average of 62 makes him a solid 1st line LW by production.

But to you, that makes him average.
To me. 60pts is average. Yes.
My first line winger better be CONSISTENTLY above 70pts.

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07-26-2012, 04:05 PM
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To me. 60pts is average. Yes.
My first line winger better be CONSISTENTLY above 70pts.
Kane and Ovechkin both in the 60's this year?

You would pass?

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07-26-2012, 04:13 PM
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You need to listen to what I am saying. CONSISTENT.
Kane and Ovechkin are clearly on another level than Bobby the bum Ryan. They CONSISTENTLY had over 70 point seasons.
Bobby Ryan to me, never will be an 80pt player.. He's lucky to get 70 for the rest of his career.

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07-26-2012, 04:23 PM
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You need to listen to what I am saying. CONSISTENT.
Kane and Ovechkin are clearly on another level than Bobby the bum Ryan. They CONSISTENTLY had over 70 point seasons.
Bobby Ryan to me, never will be an 80pt player.. He's lucky to get 70 for the rest of his career.
How anyone can say a 25-year-old four-time 30-goal scorer who has already broken the 70-point mark will never be an 80-point player is beyond me..

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07-26-2012, 04:26 PM
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How anyone can say a 25-year-old four-time 30-goal scorer who has already broken the 70-point mark will never be an 80-point player is beyond me..
He is a Duck and not on the poster's favourite team. If he were, it would only be a matter of time until Ryan hits 120 points in a season.

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07-26-2012, 04:32 PM
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Voracek, Laughton and a 1st is worth far more than Ryan...
Ducks already have wingers and don't need another center prospect. That first is going to be somewhere between 20-30 which isn't that great. This doesn't make Ducks better now at all which would be the goal if they trade Bobby.

So that trade doesn't do any good for the Ducks.

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07-26-2012, 04:34 PM
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When Bobby Ryan becomes a UFA, Captain Paul Holmgren will bring our boy home..
Sorry but apparently he's going to Toronto after he hits UFA. Just ask Leafs fans.

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07-26-2012, 04:35 PM
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Flyers won't be getting him without one of Schenn/Couturier/Giroux going the other way.

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Have no fear Flyers fan, just like in Saving Private Ryan.. when Captain Miller brings private James Ryan home.

When Bobby Ryan becomes a UFA, Captain Paul Holmgren will bring our boy home..
Well, if that movie has already started, it's going to be one long boring thing, finding it's "happy" end a mere three years from now.

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Voracek, Laughton and a 1st is worth far more than Ryan...
We don't care. Objective value isn't the end all be all. We're trying to improve our team and fill (at the very least) one glaring hole. That proposal doesn't address either of those two clear-cut objectives we have in order to deal him. Laughton and that presumably late 1st are a long way from potentially making any sort of impact, if they ever do. Teams generally don't make trades just because they think the value is nice.

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Bobby Ryan to me, never will be an 80pt player.. He's lucky to get 70 for the rest of his career.
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He's nothing special in the NHL
I think you have no idea what you're talking about. Having an opinion is nice, but that's pretty sad. A guy that has never seen PP1 time because he's stuck behind a Hart winner and a hall of famer on the wings, a guy that put up 4th most point at even strength last year doesn't have any room to improve those numbers. A guy that scored 30+ goals in every full year he's played in the league is nothing special.

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How anyone can say a 25-year-old four-time 30-goal scorer who has already broken the 70-point mark will never be an 80-point player is beyond me..
Yeah, I have a hard time finding the right words for it.

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You need to listen to what I am saying. CONSISTENT.
Kane and Ovechkin are clearly on another level than Bobby the bum Ryan. They CONSISTENTLY had over 70 point seasons.
Bobby Ryan to me, never will be an 80pt player.. He's lucky to get 70 for the rest of his career.
So by your own standards then the entire Kings team outside of Anze Koptar are "bums" lololol

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07-26-2012, 05:12 PM
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Haha. I love seeing everyone protect this kid and get so heated over my statements.

Bobby Ryan is a 2nd line winger for life. 80pts he will never reach. Why? Because he has no heart and gases out every year in the second half of e season.

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Flyers won't be getting him without one of Schenn/Couturier/Giroux going the other way.
Really wish you wouldn't have mentioned Giroux. Obviously, that never happens.

As for the Flyers "silver lining"(oh that's quite the pun, now that I read it), getting Ryan when he's UFA, probably won't happen. Not only is it very hard to predict that as it is, but it's definitely hard to imagine Holmgren having much space, given that basically his entire team will need new deals leading up to that, and he won't abstain from free agency every year. Not to mention, in three years Anaheim could be a great, young team and have patched up any differences with Ryan, and he'd just stay(which is probably his preferred destination). If Holmgren wanted Ryan, he would be an idiot if his strategy was to just wait three years.

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Bobby Ryan is a 2nd line winger for life.
That's logically impossible as he already has been a good 1st line winger for decent parts of his life.

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80pts he will never reach. Why? Because he has no heart and gases out every year in the second half of e season.
Except for this very last one, actually. And the one before that, probably. Can't really look back any further, but it would not shock me to see more incorrectness. I'm not going to even bother about the "heart" part...

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07-26-2012, 05:37 PM
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From Ottawa
Kyle Turris
Jared Cowen
1st 2013
Zibanejad

From ANA
Bobby Ryan
Tony Lydman

Fair or not, if not who needs to add?

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07-26-2012, 05:42 PM
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From Ottawa
Kyle Turris
Jared Cowen
1st 2013
+ (Z-bad) ?

From ANA
Bobby Ryan
Tony Lydman

Fair or not, if not who needs to add?
I think the Sens aren't willing and/or sensibly able to include Cowen. I also think that that's really too much value going to the Ducks, especially if you actually added Z, as well.

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From Ottawa
Kyle Turris
Jared Cowen
1st 2013
Zibanejad

From ANA
Bobby Ryan
Tony Lydman

Fair or not, if not who needs to add?
Ottawa would never do that in a million years.

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