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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Bobby Hunting [All Bobby Ryan Discussion | Part VI]

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07-28-2012, 09:05 PM
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The problem is that we care more about the difference between Brassard and Adam than we do about the difference between Moore and Sekera. With that said, according to Portzline, we'd want Johansen.

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Hopefully he is traded to a team without a "Perry" and a "Getzlaf" so we will see his true value.
Wasnt he on a differet line most of the year + the 2nd pp unit

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The problem is that we care more about the difference between Brassard and Adam than we do about the difference between Moore and Sekera. With that said, according to Portzline, we'd want Johansen.
Or you could compare the players that are actually comparable in the two deals.
Stafford to Brassard: Stafford is good for 20+ goals, and regularly puts up ~50 points, while Brassard can be counted on for 15 goals and ~40 points.
Adam to Calvert: Adam played 50 NHL games last year, Calvert 42. Both had 20 points, Adam had one more goal. Very similar.

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Sekera was our best defensemen lat year. IMO Sekera has the potential to be Anahiems best defensemen if this trade were too happen.
But then we have 7 defenseman who should be getting top 4 minutes with Vatanen who is also going to look at earning a spot. Defense is not a pressing need at all in Anaheim, we lack a true number 1 guy but we have plenty of quality depth.

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07-28-2012, 09:49 PM
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Hopefully he is traded to a team without a "Perry" and a "Getzlaf" so we will see his true value.
Maybe if he actually played with Perry or Getzlaf on ES or PP then it would effect his value. Watch the DUcks every once in a while. He played 3rd line last year and still got 30.

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Or you could compare the players that are actually comparable in the two deals.
Stafford to Brassard: Stafford is good for 20+ goals, and regularly puts up ~50 points, while Brassard can be counted on for 15 goals and ~40 points.
Adam to Calvert: Adam played 50 NHL games last year, Calvert 42. Both had 20 points, Adam had one more goal. Very similar.
We're not trading Ryan just to trade him. You are fixating on the wrong things. Most of our roster is set at this point, with the most glaring hole being at second line center. That is the most important piece. We don't care about Sekera or Moore.

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We're not trading Ryan just to trade him. You are fixating on the wrong things. Most of our roster is set at this point, with the most glaring hole being at second line center. That is the most important piece. We don't care about Sekera or Moore.
OK, I don't see where I mentioned either defenseman in that post, but whatever.
Also, if Adam doesn't satisfy you as a 2C option and you're set on D, Sekera could be flipped for a 2C, ie: Sekera + a 3rd or 4th for Filppula.

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OK, I don't see where I mentioned either defenseman in that post, but whatever.
Also, if Adam doesn't satisfy you as a 2C option and you're set on D, Sekera could be flipped for a 2C, ie: Sekera + a 3rd or 4th for Filppula.
Or we could just trade Ryan for the center we want.

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Maybe if he actually played with Perry or Getzlaf on ES or PP then it would effect his value. Watch the DUcks every once in a while. He played 3rd line last year and still got 30.
That's not really true, at least the playing third line part. Ryan spent just under half his even strength minutes playing with Getzlaf and Perry, about a third of the year with Koivu and Selanne and the rest with a combination of Cogliano/Bonino/Palmieri/Smith-Pelley/the rest of the team.

His lines production went up significantly when he was on the lower lines (especially when he was on the ice with Koivu), mostly due to playing easier minutes but also because Ryan is a guy who likes to carry the puck and when he's with Getzlaf and Perry he is not able to do that as often.

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Or we could just trade Ryan for the center we want.
If you could it would've happened already.

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Maybe if he actually played with Perry or Getzlaf on ES or PP then it would effect his value. Watch the DUcks every once in a while. He played 3rd line last year and still got 30.
whatever

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If you could it would've happened already.
Too bad. I guess we're keeping him, then. Oh, well.

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Ryan - Getzlaf - Perry 13.81%
Ryan - not Getzlaf - not Perry 10.78%

In other words, Ryan spent only 56% of his ice time on the top line at ES. Thanks for the link to prove it.

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If you could it would've happened already.
A) If we actually can't, we'll take our chances with Holland/Bonino as 2nd line center over Adam and keeping Ryan in the process. I don't regard Adam much higher than those guys. Trading Ryan in order to have our main need in any trade for him addressed in the form of Luke Adam is bad asset management.

B) It's not an intelligent argument. There's tons of reasons why something that hasn't happened hasn't happened yet and could still happened. It's too many to even try to enumerate. Almost every deal that ever happened could have happened somewhat earlier and could have yielded this comment. It just doesn't pay respect to reality.

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That's not really true, at least the playing third line part. Ryan spent just under half his even strength minutes playing with Getzlaf and Perry, about a third of the year with Koivu and Selanne and the rest with a combination of Cogliano/Bonino/Palmieri/Smith-Pelley/the rest of the team.

His lines production went up significantly when he was on the lower lines (especially when he was on the ice with Koivu), mostly due to playing easier minutes but also because Ryan is a guy who likes to carry the puck and when he's with Getzlaf and Perry he is not able to do that as often.
He only played the first 2 months and another few weeks after BB took over with Getz and Perry if I remember right.

Other then that he was with the Fins and 2 revolving doors for the rest of the season.

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To say he plays only with Getzlaf and Perry and it effects his value/production is dumb. Look how mnay combinations he is on without those 2. How many combinations is Perry on that doesnt have Getzlaf? ZERO

Perry and Getzlaf play together. Ryan spent over half the season, including the last 40 games when he was on a like a 40 goal pace, without those 2.

I'm not saying they never play together, what I am saying is it is not like Perry and Getzlaf where they exclusively play together except like 2 games. If you want to know how Bobby plays without Getzlaf and Perry then just look at the second half of the season. 39 points.

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He only played the first 2 months and another few weeks after BB took over with Getz and Perry if I remember right.

Other then that he was with the Fins and 2 revolving doors for the rest of the season.

Here is a link which breaks down his even strength minutes with each player on the Ducks roster. He played just under 50% of the year with Getzlaf and Perry and about 20% of the time on the revolving door 2b line with the rest of the time on Selannes line.

That link should also prove the point that Ryan is not a product of Getzlaf and Perry. Last year his numbers are miles better without those two than with them.

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Calling that third line '2B' is a bit of a stretch.

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I mean it more in the sense that he was still getting a decent amount of ice time with them, he wasn't buried on a third line that never saw the ice.

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I mean it more in the sense that he was still getting a decent amount of ice time with them, he wasn't buried on a third line that never saw the ice.
In that case, that's fair.

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If it came from a real source then it might be.

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Who is this person. I even tried to Google them and it still didn't come up?

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Just another fraud in all likelihood. Don't think Murph would pull the trigger on that anyway.

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Ryan - Getzlaf - Perry 13.81%
Ryan - not Getzlaf - not Perry 10.78%

In other words, Ryan spent only 56% of his ice time on the top line at ES. Thanks for the link to prove it.

yea he only spent 13.81% with perry and getzlaf who both had down years but he spent 8.8% with selanne who led the team in points with 66, 40 of which being assists and selanne is an all star calibur player, if he didn't turn down his spot on the all star squad perry probably doesn't make it last year. that leaves only 1.96% not with the big three so saying ryan played the majority on the third line is deceiving

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I heard the Sabres offered Stafford, Adam, Sekera and a 1st but Ana wants more.
No source or from anyone with credibility but what do you guys think?
Anaheim wants more, or we want different pieces (i.e., Armia instead of Adam, Ennis/Hodgson instead of Stafford, etc) ? There's a big difference between higher quality vs higher quantity. Ryan won't bring back more than 3 players, and I don't think Anaheim can take on this many extra contracts without going over 50 anyways.

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