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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly: Bobby Hunting [All Bobby Ryan Discussion | Part VI]

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08-03-2012, 09:21 AM
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Jets and Ducks

A proposal a buddy and I were talking about

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Evander Kane

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Bobby Ryan

We were talking that even though the ducks need defense/centers it's gonna be hard to get a quality player back. Look at the Nash trade. I personally think this is somewhat lateral but may be good for both players to go to a new team I think straight up is pretty decent value tbh.

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08-03-2012, 09:22 AM
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We don't have to move Ryan, so there's no point in it for us.

Ryan doesn't need a change of scenery.

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Ryan would defect to the KHL.

That still leaves WIN with a guy who doesnt want to be there.
It leaves ANA in the same spot lacking center depth, with too many wingers.

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08-03-2012, 09:30 AM
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We were talking that even though the ducks need defense/centers it's gonna be hard to get a quality player back. Look at the Nash trade. I personally think this is somewhat lateral but may be good for both players to go to a new team I think straight up is pretty decent value tbh.
And the bolded sums it up. No reason for the Jets to do this, they're counting on Kane to be one of their building blocks for the next 5-6 years.

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Ryan would defect to the KHL.

That still leaves WIN with a guy who doesnt want to be there.
What makes you say that?

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08-03-2012, 10:03 AM
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Why would we trade Ryan straight up for someone who could one day become as good as Ryan? Makes zero sense for Anaheim IMO.

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Why would we trade Ryan straight up for someone who could one day become as good as Ryan? Makes zero sense for Anaheim IMO.
True. And from the Jets perspective, why would they trade for a guy who accomplished at age 21 what Kane accomplished at age 20, with a weaker supporting cast to boot?

Really, it's a trade that makes sense only from one angle, that both players need a change of scenery. Not sure if that's true in Ryan's case, in Kane's case that's being way overblown IMO.

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There's no way Ryan returns someone as good as Kane. If he could, he would have been traded already.

He's going to get a similar return as Nash.

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There's no way Ryan returns someone as good as Kane. If he could, he would have been traded already.
That's not a logical statement. We don't have to trade him. We could consider it if a couple needs are addressed to improve our team as a whole, which doesn't have to do much with who's the single best player we could get.

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He's going to get a similar return as Nash.
Well, that would be an unbelievable coincidence, as the situation the both are in could hardly be any more different.

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There's no way Ryan returns someone as good as Kane. If he could, he would have been traded already.

He's going to get a similar return as Nash.
Is Scott Howson the GM in Anaheim now? The return for Nash was pretty bad.

I see Kane for Ryan as decent value both ways but not something either team would be interested in. I don't buy the rumors that either of those players will be traded. Anaheim has no real need to trade Ryan and all the Kane proposals on this board were the result of one unsubstantiated report from RDS.

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I dont see either team doing this

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Ryan would defect to the KHL.

That still leaves WIN with a guy who doesnt want to be there.
It leaves ANA in the same spot lacking center depth, with too many wingers.
Ryan will never go to the KHL. Listen to the interview I posted. Even if theres a lockout, he's going to stick it out and just wait. He's die hard NHL.

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There's no way Ryan returns someone as good as Kane. If he could, he would have been traded already.

He's going to get a similar return as Nash.
Why would Ryan not return someone 'as good as Kane' when Ryan is better than Kane at this point in their development and has proven much more? Kane is young and shows a lot of promise, but has really only had 1 good season. Ryan is young and has already shown promise with consistency by having multiple good seasons. (Yes, I know, there's an age difference...but my point is that Ryan's already at the level of a star, whereas Kane is not)

Not necessarily true regarding 'they would have already traded him'. A trade of Ryan for Kane, for instance, doesn't do anything to solve the purpose of why they'd trade him in the first place. They'd be looking to trade him to fill a need for a 2C and/or improving the scoring depth on the team. A 1 for 1 trade does not do that...at least not in this type of scenario.

The Nash trade really shouldn't be a measure for what Ryan will return. Nash was completely unhappy in Columbus and wanted out and had a small list of teams to which he was able to be traded to. Ryan, on the other hand, isn't unhappy in Anaheim, doesn't want out, and doesn't have a NTC limiting the amount of teams he can be traded to. (And no, him being fed up with always being in trade rumors doesn't mean he wants out. He said he wants the rumors to stop, nothing more.)

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True. And from the Jets perspective, why would they trade for a guy who accomplished at age 21 what Kane accomplished at age 20, with a weaker supporting cast to boot?

Really, it's a trade that makes sense only from one angle, that both players need a change of scenery. Not sure if that's true in Ryan's case, in Kane's case that's being way overblown IMO.
Good points, it really doesnt make sense from Winnpeg's perspective either. I think Ryan will be productive in Anaheim, whether he truly wants to be there or not. But (just my opinion) I cant see him signing another contract when his deal is up in 3 years. But Ryan has said hes going to be in training camp, and all signs point to him being 100% committed to the Ducks this year. Kane's seems completely overblown, I hope he signs a fairly long term deal similar to Ryan's contract just to end that speculation.

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Ryan will never go to the KHL. Listen to the interview I posted. Even if theres a lockout, he's going to stick it out and just wait. He's die hard NHL.
I'm pretty sure it was a joke about not wanting to play in Winnipeg...

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Are anaheim fans looking for a meh 2c and other prospects or looking for someone as talented as ryan that happens to play center.

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A proposal a buddy and I were talking about

To Ducks:

Evander Kane

To Jets:

Bobby Ryan

We were talking that even though the ducks need defense/centers it's gonna be hard to get a quality player back. Look at the Nash trade. I personally think this is somewhat lateral but may be good for both players to go to a new team I think straight up is pretty decent value tbh.
Jets need to add a 1st.

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Are anaheim fans looking for a meh 2c and other prospects or looking for someone as talented as ryan that happens to play center.
Of course we want someone as talented as Ryan. But that is never going to happen.

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Jets need to add a 1st.
In bizarro-world that would be true.

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In bizarro-world that would be true.
Why? Ryan has proven a lot more than Kane. Anaheim doesn't do this without incentive.

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08-04-2012, 07:03 PM
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The Nash trade really shouldn't be a measure for what Ryan will return. Nash was completely unhappy in Columbus and wanted out and had a small list of teams to which he was able to be traded to. Ryan, on the other hand, isn't unhappy in Anaheim, doesn't want out, and doesn't have a NTC limiting the amount of teams he can be traded to. (And no, him being fed up with always being in trade rumors doesn't mean he wants out. He said he wants the rumors to stop, nothing more.)
No more.

"I take things personally," Ryan said. "Anaheim to me has been a team over the past year that really has SHOWN ME NOTHING to prove that they want me here, unfortunately. Obviously, it's not the ideal situation. When you get drafted, you want to win championships with that team and every time they look to add a piece to the puzzle, I'm the piece going the other way.

"I gotta be honest with you. At this point, I don't care. Move me … because it's just tough going to the rink every day knowing that if something goes wrong, you're going to be the guy moved."



He wants outta Anaheim bud. That's much stronger language than "stop mentioning me in rumors please". Anaheim has their leverage lessened by these comments and teams will just wait it out til the price drops or he causes drama and forces Anaheims hand. These type of tensions rarely iron themselves out, its much easier to cut ties and move on.

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Are anaheim fans looking for a meh 2c and other prospects or looking for someone as talented as ryan that happens to play center.
Murray wants a young #2 center that can be part of their youth movement. Brayden Schenn and Sean Couturier are perfect examples.

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No more.

"I take things personally," Ryan said. "Anaheim to me has been a team over the past year that really has SHOWN ME NOTHING to prove that they want me here, unfortunately. Obviously, it's not the ideal situation. When you get drafted, you want to win championships with that team and every time they look to add a piece to the puzzle, I'm the piece going the other way.

"I gotta be honest with you. At this point, I don't care. Move me … because it's just tough going to the rink every day knowing that if something goes wrong, you're going to be the guy moved."



He wants outta Anaheim bud. That's much stronger language than "stop mentioning me in rumors please". Anaheim has their leverage lessened by these comments and teams will just wait it out til the price drops or he causes drama and forces Anaheims hand. These type of tensions rarely iron themselves out, its much easier to cut ties and move on.
Your argument only qualifies if you look at the article in a vacuum, and ignore everything that happened after.

Ryan was frustrated with the trade rumors. That interview was an expression of his frustration.

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No more.

"I take things personally," Ryan said. "Anaheim to me has been a team over the past year that really has SHOWN ME NOTHING to prove that they want me here, unfortunately. Obviously, it's not the ideal situation. When you get drafted, you want to win championships with that team and every time they look to add a piece to the puzzle, I'm the piece going the other way.

"I gotta be honest with you. At this point, I don't care. Move me … because it's just tough going to the rink every day knowing that if something goes wrong, you're going to be the guy moved."



He wants outta Anaheim bud. That's much stronger language than "stop mentioning me in rumors please". Anaheim has their leverage lessened by these comments and teams will just wait it out til the price drops or he causes drama and forces Anaheims hand. These type of tensions rarely iron themselves out, its much easier to cut ties and move on.
Ryan isnt the type to go out and play bad or start drama in the locker... hes going to go out and play no matter what team hes on. Pretty sure everything has ironed itself out for the most part minus leagues fans wanting discount prices for him.

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No more.

"I take things personally," Ryan said. "Anaheim to me has been a team over the past year that really has SHOWN ME NOTHING to prove that they want me here, unfortunately. Obviously, it's not the ideal situation. When you get drafted, you want to win championships with that team and every time they look to add a piece to the puzzle, I'm the piece going the other way.

"I gotta be honest with you. At this point, I don't care. Move me … because it's just tough going to the rink every day knowing that if something goes wrong, you're going to be the guy moved."



He wants outta Anaheim bud. That's much stronger language than "stop mentioning me in rumors please". Anaheim has their leverage lessened by these comments and teams will just wait it out til the price drops or he causes drama and forces Anaheims hand. These type of tensions rarely iron themselves out, its much easier to cut ties and move on.
LOL Anaheim has all the leverage in the world, you guys need to stop making things up

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He wants outta Anaheim bud. That's much stronger language than "stop mentioning me in rumors please". Anaheim has their leverage lessened by these comments and teams will just wait it out til the price drops or he causes drama and forces Anaheims hand. These type of tensions rarely iron themselves out, its much easier to cut ties and move on.
You're actually incorrect, bud. He has stated if he was going to be traded, he would like to be traded right away and for the whole thing to not be dragged out. Since he has stated a number of times that he wants to stay in Anaheim. Get your facts straight; or better yet, get a video of him demanding a trade. Then you can come on here and tell everybody how wrong they are.

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