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Spezza is not better than Getzlaf. People forget that players play within a system and that can affect point totals.
Spezza would never get only 57 points in 82 games in any system. He's not that bad.
You can put Spezza in a defensive system with Greening, a rookie, and butler, a career AHLer rookie, and he'll still hover around a point a game because he's that good. You can't say the same for getzlaf.
Spezza>getzlaf and the proof is in the pudidng, sorry.
Also as the poster above said...11 goals? PLEASE, spezza would have to develop some type of muscular disease before he only put up 11 goals in a full season no matter who he played with.
Sorry Spezza is better...Hell Getzlaf only scored 11 goals last year.
Getzlaf is literally the furthest thing away from a goal scorer that exists. If he was on a breakaway skating towards an empty net to get the Stanley Cup winning goal, he'd pull off at least two triple dekes, a spin-o-rama, and a no-look behind the back pass to a teammate who hasn't even trailed him into the zone.
He's a playmaker. That's a skill he's right up there with the best of the best at.
Getzlaf is literally the furthest thing away from a goal scorer that exists. If he was on a breakaway skating towards an empty net to get the Stanley Cup winning goal, he'd pull off at least two triple dekes, a spin-o-rama, and a no-look behind the back pass to a teammate who hasn't even trailed him into the zone.
He's a playmaker. That's a skill he's right up there with the best of the best at.
This means nothing.
Spezza is a playmaker too.
Spezza still got more assists then getzlaf while also getting way more goals.
It's not spezza's fault that he developed a scoring ability aswell while getzlaf only got 11 goals compared to jason's 34.
Spezza would never get only 57 points in 82 games in any system. He's not that bad.
You can put Spezza in a defensive system with Greening, a rookie, and butler, a career AHLer rookie, and he'll still hover around a point a game because he's that good. You can't say the same for getzlaf.
Spezza>getzlaf and the proof is in the pudidng, sorry.
Also as the poster above said...11 goals? PLEASE, spezza would have to develop some type of muscular disease before he only put up 11 goals in a full season no matter who he played with.
So last year is everything. Gotcha. Getzlaf having him beat (in points as well as in points-per-game, the latter of which were also higher than Spezza's last year) for three years before that is meaningless. That must be some pudding with a rather short-sighted expiration date.
Spezza would never get only 57 points in 82 games in any system. He's not that bad.
You can put Spezza in a defensive system with Greening, a rookie, and butler, a career AHLer rookie, and he'll still hover around a point a game because he's that good. You can't say the same for getzlaf.
Spezza>getzlaf and the proof is in the pudidng, sorry.
Also as the poster above said...11 goals? PLEASE, spezza would have to develop some type of muscular disease before he only put up 11 goals in a full season no matter who he played with.
Where is this magical proof giving pudding, and why do you trust it?
Getzlaf has been preferred by Team Canada over Spezza.
Getzlaf has a Cup ring.
Getzlaf is more physical.
This may not end the debate, but to dismiss Getzlaf as matter-of-factly inferior to Spezza is wrong.
So last year is everything. Gotcha. Getzlaf having him beat (in points as well as in points-per-game, the latter of which were also higher than Spezza's last year) for three years before that is meaningless. That must be some pudding with a rather short-sighted expiration date.
My point was that spezza will never be so bad to only get 57 points in a full season regardless of the system.Do you have proof that says otherwise? If no, then stop quoting me, because you're not saying anything to the contrary.
If you wont go by the more recent times, then lets compare their whole careers.
Spezza has 616 points in 606 games.
Getzlaf has 472 points in 512 games.
You don't wanna go by careers? Ok, lets go by the most recent season.
Spezza has 34 goals and 84 points in 80 games.
Getzlaf has 11 goals and 57 points in 82 games.
Still not happy? Ok, lets go with some random season years ago. There, you win.
Where is this magical proof giving pudding, and why do you trust it?
Getzlaf has been preferred by Team Canada over Spezza.
Getzlaf has a Cup ring.
Getzlaf is more physical.
This may not end the debate, but to dismiss Getzlaf as matter-of-factly inferior to Spezza is wrong.
Different types of game. Team Canada already had plenty of finesse in the top-two lines, and Getzlaf made more sense as a bottom-6 option than Spezza. At least that was the rationale provided by the management after they had selected the team.
Where is this magical proof giving pudding, and why do you trust it?
Getzlaf has been preferred by Team Canada over Spezza.
Getzlaf has a Cup ring.
Getzlaf is more physical.
This may not end the debate, but to dismiss Getzlaf as matter-of-factly inferior to Spezza is wrong.
1)That was years ago. Find a more recent point why don't you. Also different roles.
2)I figured someone who posted on here would know a stanley cup is a team award...or else you're implying penner is better then both.
3)So is chris neil...Teams pay big money for offense...offense means more to any team then any other aspect. That's why the top scorers get paid more then the top physical guys...physicality has no correlation with winning, but scoring does.
My point was that spezza will never be so bad to only get 57 points in a full season regardless of the system.Do you have proof that says otherwise? If no, then stop quoting me, because you're not saying anything to the contrary.
I like Spezza, but this comment is just stupid. Anyone intimating that Getzlaf is "so bad", should just admit they don't know anything about hockey.
Players like Getzlaf still have a huge effect on the game when they're not putting up points, while players like Spezza can have little effect on games even though they are putting up points. If you don't know how that can be, then there is no helping you.
It's the height of ignorance to simply look at stats as the be all and end all of team sports. You won't find two more different players than Getzlaf and Spezza. The only thing that they have in common, is at times they both will play below their respective levels for periods of time.
1)That was years ago. Find a more recent point why don't you. Also different roles.
2)I figured someone who posted on here would know a stanley cup is a team award...or else you're implying penner is better then both.
3)So is chris neil...Teams pay big money for offense...offense means more to any team then any other aspect. That's why the top scorers get paid more then the top physical guys...physicality has no correlation with winning, but scoring does.
It's kind of amusing really. I recall feeling badly for Sens fans when Spezza was struggling, as many people tended to write him off as just fortunate to play with Alfy and Heatley ... that he wasn't good enough to dictate the play, was buttery soft and a joke on the defensive end of the game, etc, etc.
He was just a top line guy still trying to find his game, and that was pretty clear to fans of the game. Yet here you are, a Sens fan doing exactly the same kind of lazy analyses on Getzlaf. It would be less sad if it weren't so freaking predictable.
It's kind of amusing really. I recall feeling badly for Sens fans when Spezza was struggling, as many people tended to write him off as just fortunate to play with Alfy and Heatley ... that he wasn't good enough to dictate the play, was buttery soft and a joke on the defensive end of the game, etc, etc.
He was just a top line guy still trying to find his game, and that was pretty clear to fans of the game. Yet here you are, a Sens fan doing exactly the same kind of lazy analyses on Getzlaf. It would be less sad if it weren't so freaking predictable.
