It's not ideal, but it would be making the most of what we've got right now.
I think this would be a pretty good deal for the Flyers. I doubt the Canes would even do it. You have a guy in Tlusty that put up ten fewer points and is two years younger, signed to a very reasonable deal, and will be an RFA at the end of his contract (Read is UFA at the end of his deal). You also have a guy in McBain who is much better than MAB and signed to a reasonable deal for a few more years (not to mention MAB's injury problems). In short, I would do this deal in a heartbeat if I am the Flyers, and would ask for more if I were the Canes.
My point is that you're not just paying for points, yet that's what it keeps coming down to for you (at least it seems that way). Yes I know he may slow down. Jagr said he injured himself and played much of the 2nd half in pain after doing "a workout he should not have done." Doan's contract may certainly be front-loaded, and perhaps it'd be a 2-3 year contract with a team/player option for a 4th year, who knows? Age hasn't (hadn't) hampered Lidstrom or Selanne much, and Jagr still had a hell of a season considering it was his first season back in the NHL. And in the "points earning your money" argument, Alex Semin just got paid $7m after back-to-back 54 point seasons, I'd say Doan offers much more than Semin does.
This isn't a points issue, it's strictly a cap issue. In the next 2 years almost the entire young core of this team will need to be resigned, and Doan at $5 million will seriously hamper building a team around that core. Here's what I mean:
Giroux - He's a franchise player and will get probably $8 million, that's $700,000 less than Crosby and Malkin.
Hartnell - He'll get at least $5 million, and if he repeats last season's numbers he could get $5.5-6 million.
Schenn and Couturier - They'll probably be the cheapest, unless they both explode in the next 2 years, being that their contracts will probably only be 2-3 years to keep them in RFA. If they're around 50 point a year players they'll get something like $3 million each.
Simmonds - Minimal of $3.5 million, but if he does 25+ goals again added to the fact that this contract will buy up a few of his UFA years, he'll probably get $4-4.5 million.
Read - Due to the fact that he'll be a UFA when his contract expires he'll probably cost more than any of us would want to pay, but I'm going to put him down at $3 million.
Now it looks like the cap will drop some this year, so figure in 2 years we'll be back to around $70 million give or take a couple million. And the Flyers roster looks like this:
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($5.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.000m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.000m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Wayne Simmonds ($3.500m) / Sean Couturier ($3.000m) / Matt Read ($3.000m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,366,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (14-man roster): $9,933,333
So $10 million in cap space, again give or take a couple million, and the team still needs 3 forwards, 4 defensemen, and a back-up goalie. Not to mention the fact that they have no replacements for Pronger or Timonen. This is why giving Doan a 4-year/$20 million contract would be a bad idea. If he'd sign a 2-year/$10 million deal, then sure sign him up. But it seems he wants 4 years and he'll get it from someone. I just don't want it to be the Flyers who does it.
This isn't a points issue, it's strictly a cap issue. In the next 2 years almost the entire young core of this team will need to be resigned, and Doan at $5 million will seriously hamper building a team around that core. Here's what I mean:
Giroux - He's a franchise player and will get probably $8 million, that's $700,000 less than Crosby and Malkin.
Hartnell - He'll get at least $5 million, and if he repeats last season's numbers he could get $5.5-6 million.
Schenn and Couturier - They'll probably be the cheapest, unless they both explode in the next 2 years, being that their contracts will probably only be 2-3 years to keep them in RFA. If they're around 50 point a year players they'll get something like $3 million each.
Simmonds - Minimal of $3.5 million, but if he does 25+ goals again added to the fact that this contract will buy up a few of his UFA years, he'll probably get $4-4.5 million.
Read - Due to the fact that he'll be a UFA when his contract expires he'll probably cost more than any of us would want to pay, but I'm going to put him down at $3 million.
Now it looks like the cap will drop some this year, so figure in 2 years we'll be back to around $70 million give or take a couple million. And the Flyers roster looks like this:
FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($5.000m) / Claude Giroux ($8.000m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.000m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Wayne Simmonds ($3.500m) / Sean Couturier ($3.000m) / Matt Read ($3.000m)
Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m) / Braydon Coburn ($4.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,366,667; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (14-man roster): $9,933,333
So $10 million in cap space, again give or take a couple million, and the team still needs 3 forwards, 4 defensemen, and a back-up goalie. Not to mention the fact that they have no replacements for Pronger or Timonen. This is why giving Doan a 4-year/$20 million contract would be a bad idea. If he'd sign a 2-year/$10 million deal, then sure sign him up. But it seems he wants 4 years and he'll get it from someone. I just don't want it to be the Flyers who does it.
Oh no I completely agree and understand that stance/argument. But I have faith in Homer working around the situation. If the Preds suck this year, I expect Homer to be knocking on Poile's door with trade offers for Weber as soon as the 365th day of the OS match passes, none of which including Couturier, Giroux, or either Schenn. I DON'T expect Hartnell to get a major raise (if any raise). If anything I think he takes a minor discount to stick around. I'd be surprised if Claude expects $8m/y (though he deserves it), he's a humble *******. At this point I'm just nickle & diming you down really. And the Flyers can fill those open roster spots with players within the organization. Think Sestito 4RW, Cousins 4C, MAB, Manning, Gus, Lauridsen D4-7. Within those 4 years, I expect those players to be capable enough to fill those spots. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Simmonds or Read traded for something like Edler, Boyle, or Weber (etc.)
Shane Doan visited three teams: NYR, VAN and the Flyers. Offer didn't come from Rangers. Canucks have $2.4 million in cap space
It doesn't necessarily mean the offer came from a team that he visited though. Any team can offer him a huge deal, just doesn't mean he has interest in signing there.
I would offer Doan 4 years at 5.25-5.75 a year. I wouldn't mind that in the last year of his deal. He also could be traded at the deadline one year if the Flyers are struggling(of course if he signs here and would apporve. Almost positive he would have a NTC/NMC)
He is always good for 20 goals and 50 points, but is a dedicated winner and great leader. He would be worth every penny of 5.25-5.75. Anything above that is going a little over board.
I don't think I'd offer him 4 years. 3 is pushing it, and the max I'd like to see. If something happens to him and he needs to be LTIRd we'd lose a big chunk of change during the offseason between him and Pronger.
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after seeing Philly not get Weber and then now lose Mez, would Doan really think his best chance to win is with us? Probably not. If I offer Doan this $ NO WAY do I frontload it. Who am I kidding...I would only offer 2 years at 5 mill per.
I don't think I'd offer him 4 years. 3 is pushing it, and the max I'd like to see. If something happens to him and he needs to be LTIRd we'd lose a big chunk of change during the offseason between him and Pronger.
I think it's a calculated risk to give him the 4 years, but I would make that deal. I understand the worry about him getting seriously injured and not playing ever again, but how many times can this happen to our franchise?! If it did happen, I agree with who ever else said it before we need to call the Vatican and get a damn Exorcism done on our franchise.
I think it's a calculated risk to give him the 4 years, but I would make that deal. I understand the worry about him getting seriously injured and not playing ever again, but how many times can this happen to our franchise?! If it did happen, I agree with who ever else said it before we need to call the Vatican and get a damn Exorcism done on our franchise.
If history is any indication, it can and will happen to us repeatedly.
Ahh balls Eklund is saying the Flyers are eyeing PK SUbban. I hate when he reports information on us because he somehow has a connection to us. Start your offers boys.
As much as I hate Subban, I would go nuts if we could land him-- he really is the perfect player for us. I dont even know where to start with an offer. I dont think it's worth giving up a core forward for, though. We just dont have enough top 9 forwards to drop somebody without adding someone else.
The rage from HFboards if we landed Subban might make it worth it, though
I know it is said with every RFA who isnt signed in August, but I have to wonder if Subban is committed to that team long term.
