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07-28-2012, 07:09 AM
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Let's be honest few things in this world are worse than leafs fans... maybe MAGs defense but it's debatable.
Something that doesnt exist cant be worse then something that unfortunatly does....in hordes

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07-28-2012, 08:35 AM
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Does that matter?

The discussion is currently centered around if Hodgson, and to some degree, Ennis, will improve defensively as they get older.

How does giving them 1/2 line minutes play into that?
It doesn't. It's more in reference to peoples view of them. Just as some are "trashing" what they don't do....Some are worshipping the ground they walk on for what they think they're going to do.

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07-28-2012, 09:04 AM
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Correct, and if/when I see it on the ice than guess what? That's what I'll base my opinion off of.

Many posters want to force the truth in a positive direction so they can point their finger and say, "See!?! I'm super smart!" Meanwhile they look super dumb because they aren't making realistic observations o how he has played so far. They have to be patient and see if he does become the player they are pretending he is right now.
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07-28-2012, 09:58 AM
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I think ennis is underrated defensively, I noticed him working his a$$ off to get back last season. He isnt lazy defensively so the defensive game WILL come
But Ennis can't be good defensively because he's flashy and he likes to stickhandle. The two cannot co-exist.

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07-28-2012, 12:49 PM
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But Ennis can't be good defensively because he's flashy and he likes to stickhandle. The two cannot co-exist.
Pavel Datsyuk disagrees.

But Ennis is nowhere close to Datsyuk. Ennis, at the present point in time, is simply not that good defensively. And that's not the end of the world either...he brings other things of value to the team. Just like Briere was no defensive stalwart...but Foligno-Ennis-Stafford could become a Hecht-Briere-Dumont type line if Foligno can improve his defensive game. And that would be sick.

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07-28-2012, 06:41 PM
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Don't get me wrong, the idea of getting Pavelski and Clowe is great, I just think it's too early in the Sabres rebuild to make that big of a splash. They need to wait 1-2 years, let guys like Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Armia, Myers, McNabb, and Pysyk develop and then, once you have a bunch of guys on ELC's with a ton of talent, then you make your move. Maybe for a guy like Ryan when his current contract runs out, or a someone like Lucic (I know, but if he ever made UFA, I'd give him as much as he wanted), or someone of that ilk at that time. For now, sign a guy like Hecht or Langkow, or Arnott if you feel the need for a vet 3rd line center. But I feel that the best course of action for this year is to play it out and let the group develop.

Let Grigorenko battle for a roster spot, give him his 9 games and see what he does, and let Adam battle Tropp for the open wing spot with the Vanek-Hodgson line. If Girgorenko makes the roster, make it like this...

Leino-Hodgson-Vanek
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Grigorenko-Pominville
Gerbe-McCormick-Tropp/Kaleta


Without Grigorenko...

Vanek-Hodgson-Tropp/Adam
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford
Ott-Leino-Pominville
Gerbe-McCormick-Kaleta


Also, just a curiosity, what about Gerbe centering the 4th line? I know he's tiny, but he's gritty, and his low center of gravity maybe helps him on faceoffs, and he's quick enough and defensively responsible, that way your 4th line could eventually be Tropp-Gerbe-Kaleta. Seems like a decent option.

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07-28-2012, 06:50 PM
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We should try to obtain Marcus Kruger from Chicago. Perfect bottom 6 center who can score.

Leopold + 3rd for Kruger?

Stafford for Kruger?



Vanek-Hodgson-Pominville
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07-28-2012, 07:22 PM
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Leopold and a 3rd is worth nowhere near Stafford.Drew for Kruger is atrocious...quietly, Stafford has turned into a legit physical top 6 winger capable of 25-30 goals a year with 100+ hits a year. I view him untouchable , he is our only top 6 player who can hit.

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07-28-2012, 07:36 PM
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I like Kruger. He's not exactly an experienced vet (kid's like 22 or 23), but I'd be interested depending on the cost. Definitely wouldn't give Stafford for him. idk that CHI would want another defender, but something around Leo, I'd do. Or maybe something with Adam?

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Don't get me wrong, the idea of getting Pavelski and Clowe is great, I just think it's too early in the Sabres rebuild to make that big of a splash. They need to wait 1-2 years, let guys like Ennis, Hodgson, Grigorenko, Girgensons, Armia, Myers, McNabb, and Pysyk develop and then, once you have a bunch of guys on ELC's with a ton of talent, then you make your move..


These notions of the team being in a "rebuilding" mode are way overboard IMO - yes, the Sabres are bringing in some youth into more prominent roles while shedding some of the past veterans but they still have a lot of talented and key performers that are veterans. This sense I get from reading through the different threads that the team is in a holding pattern or not going to be a serious competitor seems exaggerated and borne more from a combination of pent-up frustration over past veterans underachieving and an overly-optimistic, almost idealistic forecast of how the Sabres' prospects yet to play a single game at a professional level will develop.

The transition phase that the team is in now is more of a retooling, swapping out some older parts and promoting some younger parts - which seems to be the pattern for 50% of the teams in the NHL on an annual basis. There's no reason IMO to chalk off this season as borrowed time with the goal of targeting 2013-14 or beyond as the real seasons to make a push.

With seasoned vets like Miller, Vanek, Pominville, Regehr, Ehrhoff and Ott, complemented by upcoming young stars like Ennis, Hodgson, Myers, McNabb and Foligno, the Sabres can - and should - be looking to add experienced help such as Pavelski or Clowe now as much as ever.

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But Ennis can't be good defensively because he's flashy and he likes to stickhandle. The two cannot co-exist.
I think this is partially what people think. He plays offensively like briere so they just assume his defense will also be like brieres

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Just say no to Hecht. Unreliability is his only calling card at the moment. Just no.

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Vanek, Gerbe, and Ott are all top-9 LWs.
Ryan, Pominville, and Leino are all top-9 RWs.

Trading Stafford doesn't require another trade.
Leino is a LW. Plus Foligno is a LW as well.

Ryan and Vanek can play both winger sides, possibly Gerbe as well. Ott maybe, don't know exactly.

Leino-Hodgson-Ryan
Foligno-Ennis-Vanek
Ott-Adam/Girgensons/Grigerenko-Pominville
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I guess? Assuming Stafford is the only roster forward moved for Ryan (if Adam is also moved, then scratch him from the list too)

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Just say no to Hecht. Unreliability is his only calling card at the moment. Just no.
he is a safer bet than wasting 30 million on Doan...again no disrepct to Doan cuz id love him but these pipedreams are nutty

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Also, I really hope Foligno pans out.... He had an amazing month to start his career, but we're treating him as though he's a lock for a top 2 winger.

I think he'll be awesome, but I feel like I'm overrating him at this point when I step back and think about the roster.

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Also, I really hope Foligno pans out.... He had an amazing month to start his career, but we're treating him as though he's a lock for a top 2 winger.

I think he'll be awesome, but I feel like I'm overrating him at this point when I step back and think about the roster.
his intangibles make him a top 9 forward no matter what. Watching this kid in Rochester was one of the greatest treats Ive ever had as a Sabres fan. I can remember in October sitting there with my friends going "watch this guy hes like a heat seeking missle he hits things he doesnt even have to"...he finishes every single check, plus he fights and boom he scores every time Id talk him up too.

Foligno is that type of player whos effort alone mixed with physical tools will keep him on a roster in the top 9 for a long long time. he likely projects at best as a 20-30 player but the hits etc make up for the 50 point offense.

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he is a safer bet than wasting 30 million on Doan...again no disrepct to Doan cuz id love him but these pipedreams are nutty
I don't think Doan at 30 million is a good move either. Hecht's not reliable any longer. They need a 3/4 who can play a sound defensive/shutdown role. There are still those available in free agency at this moment who aren't oft-concussed.

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I don't think Doan at 30 million is a good move either. Hecht's not reliable any longer. They need a 3/4 who can play a sound defensive/shutdown role. There are still those available in free agency at this moment who aren't oft-concussed.
but not in the 1million ish range where we could likely land hecht on a 1 year contract to prove himself.

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but not in the 1million ish range where we could likely land hecht on a 1 year contract to prove himself.
why waste any cap space on a guy who's brain is more mush than Connollys?

I like Hecht but for the sake of him and his family he has to retire.

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why waste any cap space on a guy who's brain is more mush than Connollys?

I like Hecht but for the sake of him and his family he has to retire.
I semi-agree but if u look at my original post I said I was curious as to how his off-season has been etc and medical condition. Obviouslyly thats a huge contingency on any deal but if he's cleared to play we could do alot worse for the price we could get him for.

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We're moving on from the Hecht era. That's a step in the wrong direction.

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We're moving on from the Hecht era. That's a step in the wrong direction.
yeah we r in the ryan-doan-arnott direction

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yeah we r in the ryan-doan-arnott direction
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Leino is a LW. Plus Foligno is a LW as well.

Ryan and Vanek can play both winger sides, possibly Gerbe as well. Ott maybe, don't know exactly.

Leino-Hodgson-Ryan
Foligno-Ennis-Vanek
Ott-Adam/Girgensons/Grigerenko-Pominville
Gerbe-McCormick-Kaleta

I guess? Assuming Stafford is the only roster forward moved for Ryan (if Adam is also moved, then scratch him from the list too)
Leino can play RW and actually said he prefers it when he was moved from center to LW.

At the time he said he was happy to be on wing but he actually prefered RW. My thought was come on, you can't be this much of a pain in the ass.


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