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07-30-2012, 01:00 PM
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There is no way the Sharks were going to eat $3m of salary in the AHL after just having done so with McLaren. We don't have those kinds of deep pockets, and McLaren was always meant to be traded, but they never could. I'm sure that put fear into them that the same thing would happen with Cheechoo (and likely would have).

It is unrealistic, was never going to happen.
to be fair, they had him traded I think twice and he failed the physical.

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07-30-2012, 04:49 PM
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I have a feeling DW will be going into the season with what we have, see if it works, and if not makes some trades. Not a bad strategy with our supposed talent, but hope from us fans dwindles until (hopefully) October.
That's what it's starting to look like. Maybe wants to see how the coaching changes shake things up before making any big trades? We definitely have the talent in the top 6, and we got a nice boost on D with Stuart. But the bottom 6 is just as bad as last year.

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07-30-2012, 05:12 PM
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I have a feeling DW will be going into the season with what we have, see if it works, and if not makes some trades. Not a bad strategy with our supposed talent, but hope from us fans dwindles until (hopefully) October.
I think you are probably correct. I'm sure he's trying, just the players he wants cost to much in assets. Honestly, we don't have prospect or pick assets to move as we need what little we have for the pending makeover 2-3 years out.

We are a better team with whats happened in the player and coaching area so far, it needs to be 5 reg. season wins and a cup better and i'm not sure about that at this point. Cup teams usually have players that overachieve and get luck on top of being just a good team overall.

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I feel there's a good chance that Oleksuk and/or Stalberg are brought in through the year for the third line.

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I feel there's a good chance that Oleksuk and/or Stalberg are brought in through the year for the third line.
Would not be surprised. Our roster in 2013-14 should be pretty interesting. I see Oleksuk, Stalberg and Hertl. Maybe Nieto. Also, one of Pelech and/or Irwin on Defense.

But for this year, I do see one of them move up.

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Would not be surprised. Our roster in 2013-14 should be pretty interesting. I see Oleksuk, Stalberg and Hertl. Maybe Nieto. Also, one of Pelech and/or Irwin on Defense.

But for this year, I do see one of them move up.
I don't think it will be until 2014-2015 that we see a major youth movement. Not only does it coincide with the end of the Thornton/Marleau/Boyle/Pavelski/Couture contracts and the corresponding ice time chances, but it also is around when I'd expect players on ELC's to start making an impact. That would probably be the rookie year for guys like Hertl and Nieto. Burns, Pavelski, Couture, and Vlasic will be in their primes. It'll be interesting.

But on point, I think management is expecting a youngster like Oleksuk or Stalberg to steal a spot.

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07-30-2012, 07:49 PM
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Would not be surprised. Our roster in 2013-14 should be pretty interesting. I see Oleksuk, Stalberg and Hertl. Maybe Nieto. Also, one of Pelech and/or Irwin on Defense.

But for this year, I do see one of them move up.
It won't be Hertl, but I could see the others getting a chance.

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07-30-2012, 09:13 PM
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But on point, I think management is expecting a youngster like Oleksuk or Stalberg to steal a spot.
I think they are expecting at least one or maybe even two of Wingles, Sheppard, or Galiardi to play 3rd line minutes.

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07-30-2012, 09:37 PM
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Trade for V. Stalberg, call up his bro...insta-win. Maybe. Would be a cool story if it panned out.

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07-30-2012, 09:57 PM
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I think they are expecting at least one or maybe even two of Wingles, Sheppard, or Galiardi to play 3rd line minutes.
They're definitely counting on Wingels to play third line.

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07-30-2012, 10:08 PM
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They're definitely counting on Wingels to play third line.
They could theoretically run a third line of Galiardi - Moore - Wingels, and if all of them play up to potential, it isn't that bad of a 3rd line.

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They could theoretically run a third line of Galiardi - Moore - Wingels, and if all of them play up to potential, it isn't that bad of a 3rd line.
Theoretically, it doesn't look that bad. I was just really unimpressed with Galiardi and until Dom says he wants to play, I'm not going to assume that he will.

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They could theoretically run a third line of Galiardi - Moore - Wingels, and if all of them play up to potential, it isn't that bad of a 3rd line.
Burish would be in for Wingels and I would hope the Sharks can acquire someone better than Galiardi as third lft wing. They have to acquire two forwards anyway and I think they can find better in the player bargain bin that Wilson is looking in. But hey TJ is apparently trying to redeem himself, his words.

In short the third line you created would continue the trend of a third line that is unable to push the play and will cause Thornton and Pavs to be trapped in their own end. In my opinion that third line sux, but would make a good fourth line. Although I think TJ Desi and Wingles would be about as good

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There's no way Galiardi can "redeem" himself on the 4th line, and Wingels' development would be put on pause if on the 4th as well.

Kind of a tough predicament, but those two should be getting 10-13 minutes if they're going to grow with this team.

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07-30-2012, 11:08 PM
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There's no way Galiardi can "redeem" himself on the 4th line, and Wingels' development would be put on pause if on the 4th as well.

Kind of a tough predicament, but those two should be getting 10-13 minutes if they're going to grow with this team.
They can always earn better minutes. But right now I'd say Marco Sturm would be a better option than TJ. And Burish is most likely higher on the depth charts than Wingels is.

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07-30-2012, 11:09 PM
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I believe Wingels is a natural center....

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I believe Wingels is a natural center....
Isn't every forward the Sharks draft ...

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Wingels is a natural center, but which wing can he play? If seen him listed in people's lineups as both.

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Wingels is a natural center, but which wing can he play? If seen him listed in people's lineups as both.
Natural center, but played much more often on the right side.

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Isn't every forward the Sharks draft ...
Hah, seriously though, not just the draft. At one count I did towards the end of last season, the Sharks forwards were 75% natural centers.

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07-30-2012, 11:29 PM
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Wingels is a natural center, but which wing can he play? If seen him listed in people's lineups as both.
Like most Americans he shoots right. He would be a right wing ideally.

The center thing has some interesting potential...

If the Sharks could slap together something like: Sturm Wingels Burish it wouldn't necessarily be pretty but could get McLellan to say something like, "I don't like your style but by god you get the job done"

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Isn't every forward the Sharks draft ...
I think for the direction hockey strategy is moving in, it's a good thing. They seem to make well-rounded forwards at professional levels. There's more demand for that type of player in these increasingly tighter systems.

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Would not be surprised. Our roster in 2013-14 should be pretty interesting. I see Oleksuk, Stalberg and Hertl. Maybe Nieto. Also, one of Pelech and/or Irwin on Defense.

But for this year, I do see one of them move up.
You have to wonder if the coaches and DW have been blown away by someone in the offseason program that they are counting on them to make the big club out of camp. Kinda like they did with Wingels a couple years ago and then again last year.

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They could theoretically run a third line of Galiardi - Moore - Wingels, and if all of them play up to potential, it isn't that bad of a 3rd line.
That 3rd line would wreck havoc assuming Moore's head is in it and TJ's got his confidence back... All have wheels, 2 love to hit and there should be a surprising amount of offense off turnovers.

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Natural center, but played much more often on the right side.



Hah, seriously though, not just the draft. At one count I did towards the end of last season, the Sharks forwards were 75% natural centers.
All this talk about natural positions is kinda silly... hockey isn't natural for a human anyway so it's all learned. I've been playing almost 30 years and played every position except goalie and none of them felt unnatural. ;P

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