TJ Galiardi @TJGaliardi
Huge day tomorrow for the @NHL, @NHLPA & all of our fans! #solution
Hmmm. Did he just spill the beans, or was he just saying that the solution is what they are fighting for?
Maybe he's just saying it's a huge day because they're finally negotiating? Doubt the solution is there, NHLPA hasn't even submitted a counter-proposal and they would never agree to what NHL offered because it is RIDICULOUS. So perhaps, they finally have a counter proposal that will get rejected and then a month later they'll agree on something in the middle.
Maybe he's just saying it's a huge day because they're finally negotiating? Doubt the solution is there, NHLPA hasn't even submitted a counter-proposal and they would never agree to what NHL offered because it is RIDICULOUS.
My guess is they will finally make a counter proposal. I think they have reached the limit to their stalling
LOL from BOH board. It looks like its worse than I thought. According to this the player will propose to eliminate the salary cap and introduce the NBA luxury tax... wow....
You are a pessimist. This is the best D this team has ever iced and it isn't close. The GAA last season was 8th and that was even with that horrendous stretch in early spring where Niemi let everything in. Even a marginally improved performance from him and a middle of the road PK and this team finishes with 6 to 8 more wins which puts them up there challenging for the conference again.
I'd like to see the 5 on 5 numbers for the last 3 or 4 years. From what I remember this last year was one of their best since TMac took over. I thought they previously were living off their stellar PP for offense.
If havlat plays more than 50 games this team is top 3 in the west again. They are still talented and they will be motivated and playing in what hopefully is a better system.
I don't really agree with the point about the D. I'll take the 2008-09 D over this one. But then again, I've never had the problems that most have had with Ehrhoff. That D had two hall of famers still playing at a very high level, Vlasic on a career year, and Ehrhoff stepping up and Murray solidifying himself as a legitimate NHL'er.
I do believe you are right about the even strength numbers. It seems like they've improved their goal differential in that aspect but I also think it has come at the expense of their offensive force.
I also agree that having Havlat for more than what they did would help their position in the standings but their fatal flaw was and is still there. Even with a system change to everything in the positive, speed kills this team and they haven't addressed that and no system change devised and utilized by the new staff is going to beat it enough to win a playoff series against that particular bad matchup. Even with a higher seeding, you won't avoid that matchup along the way.
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Originally Posted by FeedingFrenzy
As opposed to a fake contender or an average contender?? Thats rubbish. This team has more than enough weapons to be a true contender.
I think people are sort of mixing the terms contender and favorite here. The Sharks are by no means a favorite but a playoff team is a contender and they are a playoff team at this point barring anything worse than what happened to Havlat last year. But this team can finish 5th and the Blues finish 4th and the fate would be the same because they haven't done anything to fix their real issues against the Blues...and it wasn't special teams.
NWShark - The stats seem to suggest that this D is the worst at playing defense since the lockout. You think its a coincidence the PK started going to **** after Blake retired?
The Sharks believe and to an extent were forced to believe the best defense is a good offense. Or in hockey terms, the other team can't score when you posses the puck.
LOL from BOH board. It looks like its worse than I thought. According to this the player will propose to eliminate the salary cap and introduce the NBA luxury tax... wow....
Yup. Might be a shorter season or no season at all.
I'm banking on the season starting with the Winter Classic. They're not far along in the process to believe a season will start on time especially if there's anything firm in terms of either side holding onto their initial offers.
I don't think they'll be able to pull an NBA and still play a majority of the season though. If they manage to play 66 in 4 months, that's a lot of back to backs and a lot of injuries. I wish the season was actually that short (games wise).
NWShark - The stats seem to suggest that this D is the worst at playing defense since the lockout. You think its a coincidence the PK started going to **** after Blake retired?
The Sharks believe and to an extent were forced to believe the best defense is a good offense. Or in hockey terms, the other team can't score when you posses the puck.
Feel free to provide proof that this D is worse at playing D. And how on earth do you get that Blake leaving had anything to do with the poor PK. Any look at the history of this teams PK shows it's coaching that has caused the steady decline along with not having dedicated PK specialists at forward. Ron Wilson had the sharks near the top of the league in PK. TMac has been the problem with the PK more so than the personnel...
I don't think they'll be able to pull an NBA and still play a majority of the season though. If they manage to play 66 in 4 months, that's a lot of back to backs and a lot of injuries. I wish the season was actually that short (games wise).
HBO's 24/7 will be entertaining though.
Maybe we will get to watch the CBA negotiations and the winter classic will be an outdoor meeting
Maybe I'm just a jerk, but I really can't side with the players for the most part. I think the salary cap is the best thing to happen to hockey. I also think players (athletes in general) are massively overpaid and overprivileged. They certainly do not deserve to be paid more.
What the owners have asked for is pretty nuts too, but with so many franchises failing (Atlanta, Phoenix, New Jersey...) it's pretty tough to argue the profits are rolling in league wide. The few rich teams (Canadian teams, New York, etc) do not make up for the rest of the league that is struggling to even stay afloat in a country where Hockey is barely even a 'major' sport in most peoples mind.
Players need to get real and realize that what is best for them is what is best for hockey. I am totally against unionized collective salary bargaining in general (not just sports) and think all unions should be permitted only to deal with safety, working conditions, and basic benefits. This coming from someone who has been a member of several unions since I was 6 years old, the abuse is absurd. (no, I am no longer in a union today).
A lockout will be devastating to hockey, that's not good for anyone, the players or the owners. The owners have more to lose here and they will happily let the sport wither and die on the vine rather than invest more of their own money in a losing enterprise.
I don't really agree with the point about the D. I'll take the 2008-09 D over this one.
We've debated this already. We'll have to agree to disagree. I take the speed and overall 2 way ability of this D over the one you referenced. Sorry but Error is not in the top 4 of this current D and considering his bone headed plays Braun probably plays more minutes as well if I'm coaching and if Demers finds his game again error rides pine on this D. Just not buying into this romanticized perception of error. Murray healthy this year is better than Murray back then too considering experience. Murray was a beast last year until he got hurt.
Maybe I'm just a jerk, but I really can't side with the players for the most part. I think the salary cap is the best thing to happen to hockey. I also think players (athletes in general) are massively overpaid and overprivileged. They certainly do not deserve to be paid more.
What the owners have asked for is pretty nuts too, but with so many franchises failing (Atlanta, Phoenix, New Jersey...) it's pretty tough to argue the profits are rolling in league wide. The few rich teams (Canadian teams, New York, etc) do not make up for the rest of the league that is struggling to even stay afloat in a country where Hockey is barely even a 'major' sport in most peoples mind.
Players need to get real and realize that what is best for them is what is best for hockey. I am totally against unionized collective salary bargaining in general (not just sports) and think all unions should be permitted only to deal with safety, working conditions, and basic benefits. This coming from someone who has been a member of several unions since I was 6 years old, the abuse is absurd. (no, I am no longer in a union today).
A lockout will be devastating to hockey, that's not good for anyone, the players or the owners. The owners have more to lose here and they will happily let the sport wither and die on the vine rather than invest more of their own money in a losing enterprise.
You had me until you said you were a member of a union dating back to 6 years old... that's illegal so are you just feeding us a line of BS?
The players are the product more than the game IMO and deserve whatever they can get due to the risk and punishment they put themselves thru and their relatively short time of earning potential.
That being said I don't know what the division should be because they'll never tell anyone the real numbers of running a franchise but I do think the league has to take some blame for constantly propping up failing franchises. No way should Phoenix have a team at this point. That failed experiment should be over.
Feel free to provide proof that this D is worse at playing D. And how on earth do you get that Blake leaving had anything to do with the poor PK. Any look at the history of this teams PK shows it's coaching that has caused the steady decline along with not having dedicated PK specialists at forward. Ron Wilson had the sharks near the top of the league in PK. TMac has been the problem with the PK more so than the personnel...
Since the editors of Fear the Fin have a ridiculous amount of time on their hands they did the math for me. From the article: "The Sharks were above average in every category (usually hovering around 10th in the league) except defensive zone Corsi diff. In fact, they ranked 25th in that category"
Why do you think the Sharks acquired Burish, Stuart, and hired Robinson? What do all those moves suggest about what the Suits think about their defense. They tried improve it from every angle possible....
LOL from BOH board. It looks like its worse than I thought. According to this the player will propose to eliminate the salary cap and introduce the NBA luxury tax... wow....
No salary cap would be terrible for poor teams. It will turn into the MLB and only the rich teams will be able to get the good players. It would be an unfair advantage.
You had me until you said you were a member of a union dating back to 6 years old... that's illegal so are you just feeding us a line of BS?
The players are the product more than the game IMO and deserve whatever they can get due to the risk and punishment they put themselves thru and their relatively short time of earning potential.
That being said I don't know what the division should be because they'll never tell anyone the real numbers of running a franchise but I do think the league has to take some blame for constantly propping up failing franchises. No way should Phoenix have a team at this point. That failed experiment should be over.
It's not illegal. I was a member of SAG and AFTRA, I was a child actor from the ages of 6-15.
Since the editors of Fear the Finn have a ridiculous amount of time on their hands they did the math for me. From the article: "The Sharks were above average in every category (usually hovering around 10th in the league) except defensive zone Corsi diff. In fact, they ranked 25th in that category"
Why do you think the Sharks acquired Burish, Stuart, and hired Robinson? What do all those moves suggest about what the Suits think about their defense. They tried improve it from every angle possible....
Considering how passive the sharks played in their own zone I would say none of these stats says much of anything about the ability of the personnel. It does say a lot about the D zone system though and the coaching which it looks like they tried to address with the coaching upgrades. Stuart led the wings in hits and is a good PKer which I think was a move to drop Murray to the 3rd pair where he belongs.
Oh and NWShark. Yes Ron Wilson ran a good PK, but he wasn't forced to use Dan Boyle on the PK
So what? One of those stats sites just posted something that showed that Boyle isn't the liability he used be defensively. Not buying that boyle is the problem either. Not even sure how anyone can watch that team play last year and not realize it's a system issue over a personnel issue with the PK.
