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07-26-2012, 09:39 PM
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I would have subscribed to insider but I hear it's not that great, especially for hockey.

Is it really any good?
you get the same rumors/speculation you'd get on HF + some mock drafts/prospect reports. it's just whether you think it's worth it or not.

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07-26-2012, 09:41 PM
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I found this link. It's from about 2 weeks ago or so. Not much, but still interesting I suppose.

http://bayareasportsnews.blogspot.co...treal-and.html

It says we're targeting Bourque and Diaz from MTL, and Hammer from CHI

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07-26-2012, 09:45 PM
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Bourque's value is in his goal scoring. He doesn't do much else and at 30, he's not going to get any better overall. If they acquired him for a mid-round pick then maybe you can take the chance but I wouldn't trade a roster player for him...well, except for Handzus.
Cool. Then put him on Thornton's left wing.

You make a good point, but if, say, the Habs would throw in something else to sweeten the deal, say Palushaj or maybe Kristo (or I guess Diaz) along with Bourque for Demers, could be difficult to turn down, especially considering that it appears that the DW/TMac two headed monster seems to have Demers in the doghouse.

P.S. I'd really want Palushaj. Man can that kid fly, and he can score...well at least in the A, but he hasn't really played in the NHL yet so we don't know if he's the next Torrey Mitchell or much, much more...

P.P.S. The more I think about it, Demers for Bourque and Palushaj is a no-brainer from SJ's perspective (and maybe Habs if they over-value adding in a French-Canadian, as the Habs love to do). Sharks add scoring and young developing SPEED/offense and move a disfavored dman. Win/Win for the Sharks.


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07-26-2012, 09:47 PM
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In: Brad Stuart, Adam Burish

Out: Daniel Winnik, Dominic Moore, Torrey Mitchell, Benn Ferriero, Brad Winchester, Jim Vandermeer, Colin White

You'd have to be insane to think this year's roster is better than last year's IMO. Forward depth was one of our biggest issues last year and it has only gotten worse
Addition by subtraction, my friend. Addition by subtraction. No Torrey Mitchell AND Colin White? We're already better.

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07-26-2012, 09:55 PM
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A little surprised Winchester wasn't re-upped for at least another year. Guy did pretty much everything he was asked to do, and then some.

Not surprised Vandermeer isn't coming back because of the defensive depth, but I am surprised he didn't land somewhere else quick.

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07-26-2012, 10:26 PM
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If we trade Boyle for Bourque we should have another one of those Bus trips immediately to DW's house.
I can arrange that!

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07-26-2012, 10:27 PM
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Moves

-Sign Doan
-Trade Boyle and Handzus to CHI for Stalberg and Hammer (perhaps a pick too)
-Trade Murray for Bourque and Diaz

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Rene Bourque ($3.333m)
Tommy Wingels ($0.775m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.640m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.950m) / James Sheppard ($0.761m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brad Stuart ($3.600m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.225m) /

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.588m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,657,083; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,542,917

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Moves

-Sign Doan
-Trade Boyle and Handzus to CHI for Stalberg and Hammer (perhaps a pick too)
-Trade Murray for Bourque and Diaz

CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER

FORWARDS
Patrick Marleau ($6.900m) / Joe Thornton ($7.000m) / Shane Doan ($5.000m)
Viktor Stalberg ($0.875m) / Joe Pavelski ($4.000m) / Martin Havlat ($5.000m)
Ryane Clowe ($3.625m) / Logan Couture ($2.875m) / Rene Bourque ($3.333m)
Tommy Wingels ($0.775m) / Andrew Desjardins ($0.640m) / Adam Burish ($1.850m)
T.J. Galiardi ($0.950m) / James Sheppard ($0.761m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Marc-Edouard Vlasic ($3.100m) / Brent Burns ($5.760m)
Niklas Hjalmarsson ($3.500m) / Brad Stuart ($3.600m)
Jason Demers ($1.250m) / Justin Braun ($1.250m)
Raphael Diaz ($1.225m) /

GOALTENDERS
Antti Niemi ($3.800m)
Thomas Greiss ($0.588m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $67,657,083; BONUSES: $0
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $2,542,917
I hope you aren't serious. Boyle would get far more than a 3rd liner and a 3rd pairing dman.

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07-26-2012, 10:43 PM
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I hope you aren't serious. Boyle would get far more than a 3rd liner and a 3rd pairing dman.
I value them as a second line forward and a second pairing defenseman. It's all about one's perspective. I did mention that a pick should also be included, I just wasn't specific as to how high of a draft pick.

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07-26-2012, 10:45 PM
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This team won't be trading with Chicago anytime soon.

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This team won't be trading with Chicago anytime soon.
Especially for Hjalmarsson.

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This team won't be trading with Chicago anytime soon.
I wouldn't completely rule it out

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07-26-2012, 10:49 PM
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The new coaching approach should be a dramatic 180 and I think the passive system restrained a lot of players speed..our forechecking was never a problem except against teams like phx/stl.
Careful. Everyone knows the team is just plain slow. Who cares that everyone is markedly faster than the only slow players on our team(zeus,clowe,murray). We just need a team full of Grabners and the championship is ours!

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My biggest concern is with the bottom six.

As always I choose to be optimistic, and I still see us as a contender. Especially with detroit and nashvilles current rosters.
Bingo. Who cares that this core has made the playoffs every year since the lockout, and has been one of the elite top 6 groups for just as long. We have an improving cooch, and a hopefully will not miss 40games havlat. THornton, marleau and pavs always produce, leaving only clowe as a guy we are not sure which one we are getting, the outlook is not horrible.

Our problem is our bottom six and always has been the last several years. Get a few legit bottom sixers to help make our not so legit guys better and we absolutely have a team that can push for a cup.

When zeus, with a bum hip and a possible/probable distraction with his friend dieing, is our bottom six scoring leader that says something. We have the top 6, we need a better bottom six.

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Ha ha. Jux would flip if she saw someone mention that on the trade boards. Someone said that to get PK from Montreal the GM should not even consider anything other than Pickles, Burns and Couture.

Yes, you read that right. Not one of them. But all three.

And then, it may be 'considered'. I laughed so hard .. I cried. Had to share with you guys ..

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Especially for Hjalmarsson.
I believe DW likes him very much

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I value them as a second line forward and a second pairing defenseman. It's all about one's perspective. I did mention that a pick should also be included, I just wasn't specific as to how high of a draft pick.
Viktor Stalberg is a 3rd liner but played with Toews since they only had 4 top 6 fowards. Hammer is doing bad for Chicago. Chicago won't trade with us after the offer sheet.

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Viktor Stalberg is a 3rd liner but played with Toews since they only had 4 top 6 fowards. Hammer is doing bad for Chicago. Chicago won't trade with us after the offer sheet.
Its actually interesting to read about V. Stalberg from the Hawks fans. They really do not seem to like him as much. Say that he has really good speed but really low hockey IQ. Floats around looking lost a lot and is pretty inconsistent.

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Viktor Stalberg is a 3rd liner but played with Toews since they only had 4 top 6 fowards. Hammer is doing bad for Chicago. Chicago won't trade with us after the offer sheet.
A couple of things wrong with this...

First, Stalberg played only a handful of games with Toews. Toews mostly played on a line with Sharp and Hossa.

Second, Hammer isn't as bad as you are making him out to be. Word before FA started was that they were shopping Hammer so that they could get Suter. Now, Boyle is no Suter, but he would be the upgrade they are looking for. I just dont think the offer sheet thing is enough for CHI to not want to do business with us.

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Its actually interesting to read about V. Stalberg from the Hawks fans. They really do not seem to like him as much. Say that he has really good speed but really low hockey IQ. Floats around looking lost a lot and is pretty inconsistent.
Yeah, I've read that about him as well

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Yeah, I've read that about him as well
Wouldn't be surprised if his brother ends up being a better player. He doesn't have the speed but has better IQ. Maybe a Pav's lite kind of player?

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A couple of things wrong with this...

First, Stalberg played only a handful of games with Toews. Toews mostly played on a line with Sharp and Hossa.

Second, Hammer isn't as bad as you are making him out to be. Word before FA started was that they were shopping Hammer so that they could get Suter. Now, Boyle is no Suter, but he would be the upgrade they are looking for. I just dont think the offer sheet thing is enough for CHI to not want to do business with us.
Still, he was playing in a top 6 role.

How does that make Hammer better. Nobody wanted him. He is overpaid. Why do you think they want to trade him?

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Stalberg--- Over 20 goals, Over 40 points, +6, and nearly 100 hits

Hjalmarsson--- 15 points, +9, Over 40 hits, and nearly 150 blocked shots


Not a bad return for Boyle and "cap dump" Handzus... especially considering that I'd want the Hawks to throw in a draft pick as well.

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Call me insane. The Sharks still need to sign 2 forwards. Yeah I think the roster will be better this year
I meant as it stands now. If we add two more NHL calibre forwards (depending on who they are) that's a different story and we could be an improved team.

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Holy cow, there's a hab's fan on the main board saying we would need to offer Burns, Vlasic, and Couture to get an unsigned Subban. I thought I had seen it all... He must be drunk...

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Still, he was playing in a top 6 role.

How does that make Hammer better. Nobody wanted him. He is overpaid. Why do you think they want to trade him?
Again, some things are wrong with this.

1. Stalberg was shifted throughout the top 3 lines all year. Was he mostly in a top 6 role, yes, but he was moving up and down all year because CHI has no center depth. As a result, they had to switch things up quite a bit.

2. I didnt say anything makes Hammer better. I was just saying you are making him out to be worse than he is. Then I made the statement that CHI might be more willing than you think to trade with us because they were going hard for Suter, thus making Hammer a trade chip.

3. How can you say nobody wanted him? You dont know that. For all you know, they missed out on Suter so they've decided to keep Hammer until a better Dman can be obtained.


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