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Look at some stats for some true defensive Centers

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05-06-2016, 01:41 AM
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Look at some stats for some true defensive Centers

If this should be in one of the other main boards let me know. I did some digging in regards to satisfy my curiosity on on one Marcus Kruger. He had a poor year points wise, but I wanted to see how he did closer to his own net.


Stats taken from war on ice(min 500 minutes played, centers, regular season):

The top ten players based on Dzone%, in worst to best order, in all situations are:

Gaustad, Kruger, Boyd Gordon, Glendening, Fehr, Dejardins, Carter, Stoll, Moore, auston watson

So this is grouping of players to contextualize how Kruger is used and how he performs in to closest players to him on the defensive side of the game:

All Strengths combined:
- 2nd highest TOI at 13.7 min (glendening)
- 3rd best Corsi For % at 41% (Desjardins, Watson)
- 2nd worst zone stars at -53.1% worse than teammates (gaustad)
- 2nd best scoring chance % at -9.2% in comparison to team (Dejardins)
- 4th best High danger chance % at -11.1% (watson, Dejardins, Moore)

5v5:
- 4th TOI/gm at 10.9 min (Dejardins, Glendening, Moore)
- 3rd best crosi for % at 48.4% (Dejardins, Fehr)
- 3rd worst zone starts at -81.2% (Gaustad, Watson)
- 1st (and only positive!) scoring for % at a 1%
- 5th best high danger chance % at 48.4% (Fehr, Watson, Glendening, Gordon)


Penalty Kill:
- 3rd highest PKTOI/gm (Glendening, Gordon)
- 5th highest Corsi For % at 8.3% (Carter, Dejardins, Moore, Gaustad)
- 5th worst zone starts at -97.3% (Fehr, Dejardins, Glendening, Gordon)
- 3rd best goals against/60 at 6.7 (Glendening, Gordon)
- 2nd highest TOI% for team at 54.6% (Glendening)


What does this all mean in the grand scheme of things? That's really up to you all.

I decided to base the player set on %Dzone starts, so that could skew the results a bit with not looking more at the PK specific details as well as limiting the results to centers (as defined by War on ice). I also cherry picked the stats I thought applicable in respect to each on ice strenth (though I kept the all and 5v5 stats the same, and changed pk for obvious reasons)

All in all it seems to me like Kruger is probably the best at all strenghts andGlendening, Gordon, and kruger are the top 3 on PK (in that order)

Opinions on my interpretation? Critique it a bit possibly? Hope some find it interesting at least.

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Defensive Zone starts is not a great metric as often it means defensive zone faceoffs. 55% of shifts for most players start on the fly and are ignored by most sites. I would say Kruger's almost 49% CF% is good for a 4th liner even accounting for the quality of the Hawks team, it's not as good as his numbers in previous seasons but still pretty good, you are not complaining if your 4th line is putting up numbers like that. Whether it is worth 3.25 million a year? I don't know

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This is more so a list of the top 3rd/4th line centers in Faceoff % for obvious reasons...

Gaustad- 18th in the league
Gordon- 3rd in the league
Glendening- 23rd in the league
Moore- 17th in the league
Stoll- 7th in the league

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Defensive Zone starts is not a great metric as often it means defensive zone faceoffs. 55% of shifts for most players start on the fly and are ignored by most sites. I would say Kruger's almost 49% CF% is good for a 4th liner even accounting for the quality of the Hawks team, it's not as good as his numbers in previous seasons but still pretty good, you are not complaining if your 4th line is putting up numbers like that. Whether it is worth 3.25 million a year? I don't know
Didn't use dZS% as a metric of comparison more so as setting a limit on the players taken. I think i set it at 500 min TOI and took the top 10 in dzo% which glendening had the lowest at 70% dzone and gaustad had the most at 92.4%

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This is more so a list of the top 3rd/4th line centers in Faceoff % for obvious reasons...

Gaustad- 18th in the league
Gordon- 3rd in the league
Glendening- 23rd in the league
Moore- 17th in the league
Stoll- 7th in the league

More or less it happened that way

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I think a more interesting application of this type of data would be to see how teams that strand a line in the D zone do compared to teams that are willing to trot out better players for draws in their own end.

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