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07-27-2012, 01:28 PM
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If Phoenix does move, then the owners should take one lesson from Phoenix.

Build it in Seattle not Bellevue. Learn from the Glendale vs Phoenix situation.
There was a Seattle guy on the radio here yesterday, he said the other guy who's trying to get a team there (not the one who owns the Wolves) is talking about a P3 stadium project in the SoDo area with the other stadiums there. He said this guy (his name's probably in this thread and I'm just too lazy to check) is "miles ahead" of Levin.

Additionally I have used my extensive knowledge of Seattle to come up with some possible names:
Seattle Green Coffee Mermaids
Seattle Fish Throwers
Seattle Grunges
Seattle Softwares

I feel they all truly capture the magnificence of the Pacific Northwest.


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Barring Phoenix or Florida level ticket prices, I question the idea that thousands of Canadians are going to drive several hours to see every single game of a team they probably have no allegiance to. Sure maybe for a few years, but if the team is crap 5 years later are people really going to be putting in the time and effort when you can just pay a little more and get tickets to the Canucks?

I just don't see NHL hockey working in Seattle and if they're pinning their hopes on Canadians filling up the stadium as a long term solution then they've already failed.
100% Agree

This is unrelated to any opinion I have on whether Seattle should have an NHL team or not but to justify putting it there on the grounds that Canadians will fill the stadium is a mistake.

Are they going to build a stadium in North Bellvue so that Canadians can shave 30 mins off their drive down? Why spend a theoretical $10 on ticket and $50+ on gas plus 6+ hours of driving time over just spending $80 on an upper bowl ticket at Rogers Arena? Not to mention the dollar being at par (something that won't last forever) and the volume of Canadians currently going south being so high (also something that won't last forever).

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If Phoenix does move, then the owners should take one lesson from Phoenix.

Build it in Seattle not Bellevue. Learn from the Glendale vs Phoenix situation.
Glendale and Bellevue are nothing alike.

Bellevue is very central, and very affluent - Glendale is neither.

To use Metro Vancouver analogies. Bellevue is like Burnaby in terms of location and prominence, but with West Vancouver level wealth. Glendale would be like Langley, or the far flung areas of Surrey.

If it's determined that NHL hockey can success in Metro Seattle (open for debate), Bellevue would be as good of a location as any in terms of drawing a crowd. That said, the bigger issue is whether or not they have the available or suitable land to host an arena.

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How about burlington or tulalip? Bellevue's a little far for my liking.

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07-27-2012, 03:58 PM
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If Phoenix does move, then the owners should take one lesson from Phoenix.

Build it in Seattle not Bellevue. Learn from the Glendale vs Phoenix situation.
Bellevue is pretty close to Seattle. If they built the arena in the Northwest corner of the city the drive from Seattle might not be too bad.

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Would this be expansion or relocation?

Remember other cities with stadiums already built are KC and Vegas
Where is this arena in Vegas? You have to drive out of town and through military property just to get to the Nascar track...

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There has been talk of putting the arena in the same location as the football and baseball stadiums ....

It would be very nice if they put the arena in the Everett area though, and made the drive down for Canadians a little easier, but that is only going to be part of the package.

The seattle metro population is larger than the Vcr one, by about 50%, but spread out over 5 times as much area. If they go to the north side of seattle to accomodate Canadians coming down, it will mean a hellish drive for those in Tacoma.

If you think traffic is bad in VCR, try rush hour (its a lot more than an hour) in Seattle.

No one is going to have seasons tickets for the Seattle NHL and drive down from Canada and not have a Nexus card ...

anyhow, it would be fantastic for Vancouver to have 6 games where they can commute by bus, like the eastern teams do. Those games would sell out, as would, I suspect, Montreal toronto Edm Calgary and a major boost for the top teams as well, Bost, NYR, Chic, Det and a few others. They may even get some attendance from Calif for those games.

Would it be a success ... probably. It would have a better success than the Grizzlies in VCR did.

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I'd catch a few games for sure, Bellevue is such a nice city.

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Where is this arena in Vegas? You have to drive out of town and through military property just to get to the Nascar track...
I can't remember where, but it's in the city. I went to a Las Vegas Lightning game there when I was kid, got Radek Bonk's autograph!

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A seattle team would be great but I doubt it happens anytime soon.

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I would be ecstatic if Seattle got a team. My friends and I would be down there in full force every single Canucks game no question. I would be down there for Flyers games as well. Man, I hope this happens.

Seattle is a great city.

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I think Seattle would be a much better market than some of the sunbelt teams already in the league and wouldn't have to rely on Vancouver fans supporting that team. I also think Canucks-Seattle games would see a lot of Canuck fans traveling down there though.
So you have 3 games covered, what about the other 38? A Saturday Canucks game in Seattle could probably have a full house of Vancouver fans.

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So you have 3 games covered, what about the other 38? A Saturday Canucks game in Seattle could probably have a full house of Vancouver fans.
Calgary and Edmonton games could be pretty full too...Perhaps.

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Bellevue would be a bad idea, downtown Seattle though...that'd be great! They'd have to be called the Metropolitans or the Thunderbirds though, anything else is unacceptable to me.

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I don't want a NHL team in the NW unless we get an NBA team back.

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I don't want a NHL team in the NW unless we get an NBA team back.


I do not see a correlation ....

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I can't remember where, but it's in the city. I went to a Las Vegas Lightning game there when I was kid, got Radek Bonk's autograph!
It was the IHL Thunder you saw, and they played out of the Thomas and Mack arena, which is FAR too small for an NHL team and booked so regularly that the arena didn't want the Thunder there anyway, as they made more money off of other events than they did off IHL hockey.

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I do not see a correlation ....
Me either, nor do i give two hoots about the NBA.

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I do not see a correlation ....
I want a second major franchise in Van before Seattle gets 4

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Barring Phoenix or Florida level ticket prices, I question the idea that thousands of Canadians are going to drive several hours to see every single game of a team they probably have no allegiance to. Sure maybe for a few years, but if the team is crap 5 years later are people really going to be putting in the time and effort when you can just pay a little more and get tickets to the Canucks?

I just don't see NHL hockey working in Seattle and if they're pinning their hopes on Canadians filling up the stadium as a long term solution then they've already failed.
Canuck fans, no. Unless the Canucks are playing of course. But there are a lot of fans of O6 team up here, as well as the Flamers and Coilers. I'd definitely go down there to see the Bruins at face value than pay over $100 to sit in the upper bowl with you crazy animals!

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Seattle Metropolitans would be sweet and theres history there as they won the Stanley Cup in 1915 becoming the first US based team to do so.

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Canuck fans, no. Unless the Canucks are playing of course. But there are a lot of fans of O6 team up here, as well as the Flamers and Coilers. I'd definitely go down there to see the Bruins at face value than pay over $100 to sit in the upper bowl with you crazy animals!
There'd be a bit of a bump for those games, but you can say that about almost anywhere that doesn't have a huge fanbase. Places like Florida and Phoenix see spikes in attendance when popular teams visit, but as we've seen that only gets you so far. Counting on Canadians to fill up thousands of seats every single night (which is what Levin suggested) is silly. There would be some people who'd come down to watch their favorite team, but who's going to drive 3+ hours each way to see Columbus, Nashville, Dallas, etc. with any kind of regularity?

Not to mention, unlike with Florida, Phoenix, San Jose, etc. there'd be a closer place (Vancouver) for all these Canadians to watch their favorite team visit. If you're in Phoenix and want to see the Bruins play there's only one game in town; if you're a Canadian within driving distance of Seattle, there's a much closer (albeit more expensive) option in Vancouver.

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Canuck fans, no. Unless the Canucks are playing of course. But there are a lot of fans of O6 team up here, as well as the Flamers and Coilers. I'd definitely go down there to see the Bruins at face value than pay over $100 to sit in the upper bowl with you crazy animals!
So original 6, Vancouver, Edmonton and Calgary should have dependable boosts. Add in star games, particular cross conference games like Crosby, Ovechkin and Stamkos visiting. Probably add Phillie to that too. I wouldn't call all those games auto-sellouts, but I believe Seattle itself would have good support to start (without needing Phoenix level prices), with a boost for a good portion of the schedule seems like a recipe for success.

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