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TML Fans, Are you prepared to part with your 1st in 2013 to land a 1C ?

View Poll Results: TML Fans, Are you prepared to part with your 1st in 2013 to land a 1C ?
No. We keep all of our draft picks even if it means missing the playoffs again. 40 24.24%
Yes. If it lands us a young center and makes us competitive for many years. 84 50.91%
Yes. I would rather use a 1st than trade Kadri and Mo Riles for Getzlaf. 14 8.48%
Yes. JVR and McClement make us more competitive. 1 0.61%
No. This years' draft is the deepest in years. 26 15.76%
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07-27-2012, 02:07 PM
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The only way I would be ok with Burke trading away their 1st round pick in 2013 is if he makes it a top 10 protected pick, should the Leafs miss the Playoffs and their pick falls between that range.

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07-27-2012, 02:11 PM
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No way, would rather miss playoffs to try to get one of the top centre prospects in this draft, whether it be Monahan or someone else.

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07-27-2012, 04:03 PM
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if theres a lockout happening and it looks to be the full year, then i would defiantly keep our pick.. burke knows that it would be a bottom 5 pick for sure again, thats why we still have our first.

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07-27-2012, 04:17 PM
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That all depends on the #1 center that we are talking about...for a guy like Statsny or Jordan Stall my answer would be a resounding no. These are good players, but not the kind of players I would be willing to give up our potentially high first for. A guy like Getzlaf would really depend on if I am convinced that last season was a blip and if I knew he would sign a long term deal with the Leafs after the trade. I would certainly trade our first for guys like Backstrom (Washington) or Tavaras though I highly doubt they are available.

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07-27-2012, 04:41 PM
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Depending on the player obviously but for the right guy absolutely I trade the pick.

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07-27-2012, 04:52 PM
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Yes, in a trade for a PPG 1C, obviously. Proven assets> unproven picks

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07-27-2012, 04:55 PM
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Crosby, Malkin, RNH, E/J Staal, H. Sedin, Kesler, Richards, Giroux, or Stamkos sure pull the trigger. Anything else, probably not.
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07-27-2012, 05:00 PM
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the young center/competitive for years option is the obvious choice, but it seems sort of pie in the sky. A top 15 center will take more than a 1st round pick. Possibly is it was top 3, but in that case it would be smarter to just draft the player with it.

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07-27-2012, 05:03 PM
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Pretty easy choice; "If it lands us a young center and makes us competitive for many years" essentially means that it's going to be a later 1st anyways.

I also agree with the next choice as well. I'd much rather move our 1st than one of Kadri or Rielly.

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07-27-2012, 05:06 PM
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For #1 center? Of course. Why wouldn't you do that unless the player is an upcoming free agent.

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07-27-2012, 05:09 PM
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A real bona fide first line center? Mats Sundin -good? With at least 7-8 good years (not declining) left on his career?

Picks and prospects are picks and prospects. Let them have our firsts, Kadri, Colbourne, whoever they want, except perhaps that new defenseman we drafted this summer. Real first line centers are hard to get.

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07-27-2012, 06:43 PM
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I think it will cost more than just our 2013 1st round pick to get a number one center which is why people become more hesitant. If it is just the one pick, I say hell yes. If it is more than just the one pick, then we are losing serviceable assets along with a pick that we may use to draft someone of similar caliber. That's when I begin to question if it is worthwhile.
Kessel cost the Leafs 2 X top 10 1st round picks and a high 2nd.

So in comparative terms a true #1 center is worth more than Kessel costs in picks.

So the 2013 1st would only be a start of a offer package that would include much more than just that one pick alone.

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07-27-2012, 07:14 PM
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I'd want to know more about this upcoming draft. What if it's another 2003 draft? Do we really want to sit through another 1st round of that calibre without a 1st round pick? I would much rather stockpile picks if it's considered a really deep draft, then trade away our picks. Especially considering getting that 1st line centre will cost a lot more than just the 1st.

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07-27-2012, 07:20 PM
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Kessel cost the Leafs 2 X top 10 1st round picks and a high 2nd.

So in comparative terms a true #1 center is worth more than Kessel costs in picks.

So the 2013 1st would only be a start of a offer package that would include much more than just that one pick alone.
I agree, I said what I did the way I did due to the wording of the question asked by the OP which kind of suggested it would JUST be our first round pick.

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07-27-2012, 07:22 PM
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07-27-2012, 07:26 PM
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No. Absolutely not.

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07-27-2012, 07:33 PM
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Kessel cost the Leafs 2 X top 10 1st round picks and a high 2nd.

So in comparative terms a true #1 center is worth more than Kessel costs in picks.

So the 2013 1st would only be a start of a offer package that would include much more than just that one pick alone.
That's not the way it works at all. Kessel was traded for two firsts and a second. Who those picks turn into is always a big question, and part of the trade.

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07-27-2012, 07:34 PM
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Sorry, didn't read entire thread to see if someone posted this but..

No, with this year's team being pretty much like last year's, I think we might be due for another lottery.

I don't think the center coming this way for our 1st round will be adequate to lose another lottery position.

Who's available? the list might be short and I don't see any that are worth a lottery pick for 2013

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if theres a lockout happening and it looks to be the full year, then i would defiantly keep our pick.. burke knows that it would be a bottom 5 pick for sure again, thats why we still have our first.
How does Burke know it will be a top five again? That's not guaranteed if they use a system like they did in 2005 or some similar random system. Incidentally, in 2005, Pittsburgh was the only team with three balls (four teams had three balls) to draft in the top five. Heck, Montreal, with only one ball ended up drafting fifth.

Heck, maybe if there's a full season lockout, they'll decide that the poorest teams should get the highest picks and have teams draft in reverse order of revenues generated in 2011-12.


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If trading the first (and more) lands the Leafs any player that can bring them to the playoffs next season and beyond, then I would have no problem if they traded that pick. The fear is that if the trade does not make Toronto a playoff team, then problems start to rise given the high value of the pick.

However, this has backfired in Toronto the last few times they have been traded, thus many fear trading the first.

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No way! We are guaranteed a top 5 pick again coming up or maybe even first overall when we finish last.

The team Burke built is hands down the worst in the NHL.

Fire Burke and keep our picks! That is the first step to recovery out of this mess.

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07-27-2012, 08:34 PM
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I would move the 1st for Getz in 2013, unless of course Tank Nation comes to fruition and that 1st starts more and more to look like our chance at MacKinnon..

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No way! We are guaranteed a top 5 pick again coming up or maybe even first overall when we finish last.

The team Burke built is hands down the worst in the NHL.

Fire Burke and keep our picks! That is the first step to recovery out of this mess.
A very special post.

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07-27-2012, 09:29 PM
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Depends on who the player is and what else we'd have to give up along with the 1st
pretty much.

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I agree, I said what I did the way I did due to the wording of the question asked by the OP which kind of suggested it would JUST be our first round pick.
this is not fantasy. if you believe that Getz, or Duchene can be attained with just a first then think again.

the nash trade included a first, but i honestly think that some leaf fans would have taken issue with that. the media has hit home: "all 1sts lead to franchise players".

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