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Rangers Prospect Poll: #7

View Poll Results: Who is our #7 prospect?
D Brady Skjei 69 83.13%
C Michael St. Croix 9 10.84%
C Steven Fogarty 1 1.20%
LW Andrew Yogan 2 2.41%
C Boo Nieves 1 1.20%
LW Marek Hrivik 1 1.20%
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07-30-2012, 11:01 AM
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Er... I think we can call this one.

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07-30-2012, 11:02 AM
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Can't believe Skjei dropped this low. Add Lindberg.

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07-30-2012, 11:10 AM
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St. Croix. The guy put up 105 points as a 19 year old in the WHL. The size thing is being very overused and it isn't true. Ryan Callahan is 5'11 200. AS a grown man, St. Croix has the chance to be around 195 to 200 as well. We don't look at Cally as being small, so why should we do the same with St. Croix? His body type is that of Claude Giroux, plays a similar style as well. I think he gets overlooked here, by a lot of people. Skjei was a first rounder, but at this point in time, he's behind St. Croix in development. I also believe his ceiling is higher as well. St. Croix has the chance to become a 1C, more likely to be a 2C. Don't know how Skjei is going to play in the NCAA. Too many unknowns for me to put him there, but more upside than the others mentioned that he is next for me after St. Croix.

Add Lindberg. At a young age showed he can play at good level in the 2nd best league in the world, but isn't consistent enough to stick around. Not too many, besides to picks usually do.
We don't look at Cally as small because Ryan game in game out is hitting anything that moves. Size doesn't matter with him. And I don't look at St. Croix as small--he's kind of slightly undersized but when he starts playing the forechecking, physical game that Callahan plays we can revisit this issue of size for real. I have St. Croix 8th on my list--which is next and that's when I'll vote for him. I think he has the potential to move up the list in the near future but truthfully IMO Skjei should have been at 5 and there's no way way I'm picking MSC over him.

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07-30-2012, 11:15 AM
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Do you know what we are talking about when we talk of the "ceiling"? Because it doesn't mean the odds of making the NHL, it means the odds of being a star in the NHL. Stu Bickel has a better shot of making the NHL than Skjei does, but his ceiling is far lower.




This is just wrong. St. Croix is not very small. We had Thomas ranked in the top-5 and he's significantly smaller than St. Croix, who's 5-11 180 pounds. That's decent size for an offensive kid. And according to reports, he's decently strong, he's just not very tall. But it's not like he's 5-8. At 5-11, height isn't a big deal.




According to almost everyone, the WHL is better defensively and in terms of physical play than either the OHL or the QMJHL. It's the hardest of the three leagues to score in.



That doesn't mean that every other offensive player fails. Dawes was way too over-hyped. He was only 5-8, which is a whole 3 inches below St. Croix. As an 18 year old, Dawes got only 70 points, and not 105 like St. Croix did. St. Croix got 50% more points at the same age. At the age of 19, Dawes still scored only 76 points.

Dawes was never as good a prospect as St. Croix. He was smaller, worse defensively, and not as good offensively.
I know what ceiling means. I'm well aware. I don't care how many points he scored. Stats aren't everything. Again Nigel Dawes put up 92 points one year in the WHL. He was a player of the year finalist in another season in the WHL. How did he pan out? You can't go off of stats. If that were the case then we should've given up on players like Girardi and McDonagh. Heck Montreal did. I'm not saying i don't like MSC, but I am not going to get high on a player just because he scored 105 points in the WHL. It means nothing. Thomas did not produce as much last season as he did two years ago in the OHL, people didn't sour on him but many did back away from their expectations for him.

I should've been more clear about MSC's size. He isn't MSL small....he just plays small. He seems to shy away from physical play. Does not go to the dirty areas. You can claim the WHL is physical all you want but that is nothing in comparison to the NHL, heck even the AHL. I'm not sure he can translate his game to the pro level. I'm not even sure if Thomas can. I do like Thomas better because points aside, Thomas has good speed and a blistering wrist shot. I'm not saying MSC doesn't have good attributes but I do rank Thomas higher for right now. IF MSC goes out and has another solid season then he moves up the ladder.

You point out Dawes' flaws but what about MSC's? You're way too high on him. There are multiple players ahead of MSC in the rangers system that have better upside. Players that bring a better all around game than MSC. Fast plays in a much tougher league. Skjei is 6'3" and can play a solid all around game. A top ranked USA defenseman. Already went over Christian Thomas. I even like Lindberg ahead of MSC. I need to see it again from MSC before I start moving him ahead of players that I think have more promise.

Btw, the stu bickel comparison was awful.

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07-30-2012, 11:20 AM
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I know what ceiling means. I'm well aware. I don't care how many points he scored. Stats aren't everything. Again Nigel Dawes put up 92 points one year in the WHL. He was a player of the year finalist in another season in the WHL. How did he pan out? You can't go off of stats. If that were the case then we should've given up on players like Girardi and McDonagh. Heck Montreal did. I'm not saying i don't like MSC, but I am not going to get high on a player just because he scored 105 points in the WHL. It means nothing. Thomas did not produce as much last season as he did two years ago in the OHL, people didn't sour on him but many did back away from their expectations for him.

I should've been more clear about MSC's size. He isn't MSL small....he just plays small. He seems to shy away from physical play. Does not go to the dirty areas. You can claim the WHL is physical all you want but that is nothing in comparison to the NHL, heck even the AHL. I'm not sure he can translate his game to the pro level. I'm not even sure if Thomas can. I do like Thomas better because points aside, Thomas has good speed and a blistering wrist shot. I'm not saying MSC doesn't have good attributes but I do rank Thomas higher for right now. IF MSC goes out and has another solid season then he moves up the ladder.

You point out Dawes' flaws but what about MSC's? You're way too high on him. There are multiple players ahead of MSC in the rangers system that have better upside. Players that bring a better all around game than MSC. Fast plays in a much tougher league. Skjei is 6'3" and can play a solid all around game. A top ranked USA defenseman. Already went over Christian Thomas. I even like Lindberg ahead of MSC. I need to see it again from MSC before I start moving him ahead of players that I think have more promise.

Btw, the stu bickel comparison was awful.
Think Beacon calling Skjei the next Jeff Brown is comparable to all those people who used to say that Kreider was going to be the next Hugh Jessiman.

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07-30-2012, 11:40 AM
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Bourque gets no respect because of a rough year for the whale? Probably has just as good as a shot of making the nhl roster as anyone else.

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Why is Hagelin on the list, in general? I missed that.

He's on the freakin' team and played most of the year. I'd consider him "graduated".

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07-30-2012, 12:30 PM
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Why is Hagelin on the list, in general? I missed that.

He's on the freakin' team and played most of the year. I'd consider him "graduated".
Yea completely agree with you but they went by hf prospect rules or something.

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07-30-2012, 02:53 PM
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Skjei although Hrivik looks very good. Add Lidberg. Bourque, Jean shoud be added soon. Does anyone know what happened to Danny Hobbs & Jyri Niemi?

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Think Beacon calling Skjei the next Jeff Brown is comparable to all those people who used to say that Kreider was going to be the next Hugh Jessiman.

I never said he was the next Jeff Brown. I did say that Jeff Brown was at the time called - by Neil Smith, no less - "a sure-fire NHLer." That was the actual phrase used right after the 1996 draft. That was also the scouting report on him in the Blueshirt Bulletin, Red Line, etc.

Jeff Brown, who was drafted at #22, couldn't even play at the AHL level and spent his career in the UHL and the beer leagues. So any time someone says that a player is a sure-fire NHLer, take it with a grain of salt.

Considering that about 65% of the players drafted in the late first round fail to make the NHL, you'd think that a sure-fire NHLer wouldn't last all the way there, would he? The odds of any given draftee making the NHL are tremendously overrated on this forum. Hugely so.

Players with worse than 50-50 odds of cracking the NHL are repeatedly called "definite 3rd liners" and "probable 2nd liners". Then the next batch of prospects comes along and everyone forgets the pumping the prior batch got.

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