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View Poll Results: Why aren't the Caps spending up to the Salary Cap
Ted is getting cheap or there just isn't enough cash 4 5.56%
GMGM and Ted are too conservative to go out on a limb because of the expiring CBA 15 20.83%
Combination of Items #1 and #2 - The CBA expiring is an excuse to not have to spend 21 29.17%
They would spend to the cap, but they didn't like the options this offseason 28 38.89%
The season is months away - they have something big planned 4 5.56%
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08-09-2012, 11:42 AM
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10.5 with only Carlson left to sign (although I'm guessing that's why you're asking). Over 13 if you factor in Poti to LTIR, assuming those rules don't change.

Of course once the cap comes down who knows what the situation will be...
How long is Poti going to be out? I cant remember

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08-09-2012, 11:45 AM
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Until his contract runs out. He's not coming back.

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How long is Poti going to be out? I cant remember
His career is likely done.

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How long is Poti going to be out? I cant remember
Permanently.

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08-09-2012, 11:51 AM
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Has there been any word on that from a team official? All I've seen is media/fan speculation.

What a wasted contract extension by Mcphee.....

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10.5 with only Carlson left to sign (although I'm guessing that's why you're asking). Over 13 if you factor in Poti to LTIR, assuming those rules don't change.

Of course once the cap comes down who knows what the situation will be...
Based on nothing really except what I know of negotiations, I'm of the opinion that the cap won't come down. I think more likely it will stand at it's current point, but the formula will be modified to slow the pace of growth going forward. For the purposes of this thread, it's a bit of a distinction without a difference, because they need to bank some cap space for the unknown anyway, but that's what I expect to happen ultimately.

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08-09-2012, 11:54 AM
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Has there been any word on that from a team official? All I've seen is media/fan speculation.

What a wasted contract extension by Mcphee.....
You can't really blame the McPhee. How was he to know that a 33 year old with a history of groin injuries would wind up knocked out with a groin injury?


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Based on nothing really except what I know of negotiations, I'm of the opinion that the cap won't come down. I think more likely it will stand at it's current point, but the formula will be modified to slow the pace of growth going forward. For the purposes of this thread, it's a bit of a distinction without a difference, because they need to bank some cap space for the unknown anyway, but that's what I expect to happen ultimately.
I think that would be a logical way to do it to avoid a lockout, but I don't know if that's going to be good enough for the owners at the lower end of the $$ spectrum. The longer it drags on the less likely I see that kind of compromise coming about.

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The other three major leagues are within a couple points of a 50/50 revenue split between players and owners. The owners are only taking home 43% right now in the NHL. The salary cap is coming down.

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The other three major leagues are within a couple points of a 50/50 revenue split between players and owners. The owners are only taking home 43% right now in the NHL. The salary cap is coming down.
Of course the question of "what type of revenues" might be the biggest one. They want to redefine "hockey related revenues" to make it even less, and I imagine it's harder to put those calculations in context with the other big 3.

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Has there been any word on that from a team official? All I've seen is media/fan speculation.

What a wasted contract extension by Mcphee.....
McPhee stated in an interview... I wanna say this winter... that he believed Poti's career was over.

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You can't really blame the McPhee. How was he to know that a 33 year old with a history of groin injuries would wind up knocked out with a groin injury?
To be fair, it wasn't really something he could've expected, like a continuation of his previous injuries. It turned out that he'd fractured his pelvis at some point, and that it hadn't set properly and really couldn't be fixed. So if you want to blame anyone for that, it'd be the doctors who failed to properly diagnose him. It wasn't McPhee's fault he was working with the wrong information.

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McPhee stated in an interview... I wanna say this winter... that he believed Poti's career was over.



To be fair, it wasn't really something he could've expected, like a continuation of his previous injuries. It turned out that he'd fractured his pelvis at some point, and that it hadn't set properly and really couldn't be fixed. So if you want to blame anyone for that, it'd be the doctors who failed to properly diagnose him. It wasn't McPhee's fault he was working with the wrong information.
After Poti's history, not something he should have expected?!?!


McPhee clearly didn't do his homework on this one. If you wanna blame the Dr's that's fine, but ultimately it was McPhee's job to make sure he had a thorough medical clearance.

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It really seems like the Caps medical staff could be better. They misdiagnosed Poti, took how long to get the proper diagnosis on Green? Don't know but doesn't seem unreasonable they could have messed up Fehr too. Vokoun came back too soon, though I think he said it was personal choice. Again, just conjecture, but a lot of stuff seems to go wrong when Caps players get hurt.

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It really seems like the Caps medical staff could be better. They misdiagnosed Poti, took how long to get the proper diagnosis on Green? Don't know but doesn't seem unreasonable they could have messed up Fehr too. Vokoun came back too soon, though I think he said it was personal choice. Again, just conjecture, but a lot of stuff seems to go wrong when Caps players get hurt.
Pothier too. And Iirc, either Backstrom or Green weren't shut down immediately following their last official concussion.

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I mean you're in the Nation's Capital. You'd think there were some decent Docs available for management to choose from.

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you guys enjoy your mcphee bashing. its trendy and fun. just to be clear on poti, his groin injury was 100% healed and signed off by the doctors. unfortunately poti's injury was NOT a groin injury. it was an completely undiagnosed fractured HIP that had healed out of line and resulted in stress on the groin muscle.

this was not discovered til well into the season of his extension.

i am sure its mcphee's fault that he didnt know this and act accordingly, but i am not sure how.

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you guys enjoy your mcphee bashing. its trendy and fun. just to be clear on poti, his groin injury was 100% healed and signed off by the doctors. unfortunately poti's injury was NOT a groin injury. it was an completely undiagnosed fractured HIP that had healed out of line and resulted in stress on the groin muscle.

this was not discovered til well into the season of his extension.

i am sure its mcphee's fault that he didnt know this and act accordingly, but i am not sure how.
the main critique here is of the doctors and seems valid to me. one would think that physicians for a pro sports franchise would be sufficiently competent to not miss fractured bones and hernias for prolonged periods. poti hip could have been managed had they correctly diagnosed the problem when it was still fractured. the critique of mcphee is that he does not appear to be holding the med team to account for some long-term, undiagnosed or misdiagnosed injuries that have cost and nearly cost players their careers.

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the main critique here is of the doctors and seems valid to me. one would think that physicians for a pro sports franchise would be sufficiently competent to not miss fractured bones and hernias for prolonged periods. poti hip could have been managed had they correctly diagnosed the problem when it was still fractured. the critique of mcphee is that he does not appear to be holding the med team to account for some long-term, undiagnosed or misdiagnosed injuries that have cost and nearly cost players their careers.
We don't know whether they've been held accountable. It certainly seems like they're pretty terrible at their jobs, so I would hope they have been. It seems like players with long-term injuries almost always get outside consultation too, though, and I guess Poti's thing was missed by everyone. Criticizing McPhee for signing Poti has always been stupid.

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We don't know whether they've been held accountable. It certainly seems like they're pretty terrible at their jobs, so I would hope they have been. It seems like players with long-term injuries almost always get outside consultation too, though, and I guess Poti's thing was missed by everyone. Criticizing McPhee for signing Poti has always been stupid.
that's true I suppose. not sure they'd publicize replacing their doctors.

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Criticizing McPhee for signing Poti has always been stupid.
Not really. Why sign a 33 year old with a phone book sized injury history to a market rate, multiyear deal? I don't take issue with the money as much as I take issue with the fact that McPhee committed to Poti as a top 4 ld. Then when Poti wasn't available, we had our thumbs up our ***** and couldn't replace him. Well, actually I guess we did replace him. With a living fossil on a multiyear deal.

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Pothier too. And Iirc, either Backstrom or Green weren't shut down immediately following their last official concussion.
Backstrom returned to play in the Calgary game after the elbow to the head.

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Not really. Why sign a 33 year old with a phone book sized injury history to a market rate, multiyear deal? I don't take issue with the money as much as I take issue with the fact that McPhee committed to Poti as a top 4 ld. Then when Poti wasn't available, we had our thumbs up our ***** and couldn't replace him. Well, actually I guess we did replace him. With a living fossil on a multiyear deal.

Management!
The common consensus, iirc, was that Poti signed at a discount. Given his playoff performance, in particular, he was likely going to be a fairly sought after free agent. I still wouldn't have a problem with a healthy Poti as a top4 LD solution for this team, especially after the chemistry he showed with Carlson.
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Additionally, we first replaced Poti with Hannan.

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you guys enjoy your mcphee bashing. its trendy and fun. just to be clear on poti, his groin injury was 100% healed and signed off by the doctors. unfortunately poti's injury was NOT a groin injury. it was an completely undiagnosed fractured HIP that had healed out of line and resulted in stress on the groin muscle.

this was not discovered til well into the season of his extension.

i am sure its mcphee's fault that he didnt know this and act accordingly, but i am not sure how.
Apparently making excuses for McPhee is also trendy and fun....


Seriously though, Dr's make mistakes all the time. I think we all get that. However, when dealing with a player who has a history, don't you think it warrants a little extra scrutiny?

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Poti took a significant cut in salary and definitely signed for less than he would have been able to get as a UFA, provided his play didn't decline noticeably. I don't agree with the decision to re-sign him so early in the year, but McPhee doesn't have a medical degree or the background to question from a medical perspective what the team doctors are telling him. I don't think it was necessary to sign him so early, but I understand why it was done at that salary, and the outrage/indignation/whatever about it is ridiculous.

Edit: Really, attacks on McPhee over this issue just sap credibility from the people who make them. It's clearly agenda informing interpretation of the facts, rather than the other way around.

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Apparently making excuses for McPhee is also trendy and fun....


Seriously though, Dr's make mistakes all the time. I think we all get that. However, when dealing with a player who has a history, don't you think it warrants a little extra scrutiny?
Where was the excuse? I posted a correction. It was not a groin injury but a fracture.

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Where was the excuse? I posted a correction. It was not a groin injury but a fracture.
Didn't accuse you specifically that I remember...just countering your catiness with the woe is McPhee stuff...as if the guy's career hasn't warranted significant criticism.

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