HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Vancouver Canucks
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The Luongo Thread: We're doing 65, so we should be there in a billion years...

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
08-02-2012, 04:12 PM
  #176
Reverend Mayhem
CRJ + RNH = Sex
 
Reverend Mayhem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Port Coquitlam, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,207
vCash: 940
Send a message via Skype™ to Reverend Mayhem
Too many people here want this to be over rather than to get valuable assets back.

Reverend Mayhem is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:13 PM
  #177
lush
@jasonlush
 
lush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,319
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TLinden16 View Post
If Gaunce is in the deal I'd want Gudbranson/Steeg/Weiss to be the centerpiece coming back.

Bjugstad is becoming severely overrated on these boards.
Yeah we need something to help our roster this season and Bjugstad is not it. We absolutely have to hedge the risk that Bjugstad doesn't work out and we lose Lungo and Gaunce for nothing by having a piece return that helps the club now -especially if we don't add Doan

lush is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:14 PM
  #178
lush
@jasonlush
 
lush's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,319
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Mayhem View Post
Too many people here want this to be over rather than to get valuable assets back.
Actually I'm pretty sure they want both, cake and eating it too...

Seriously though, it's Aug 1st, I think this time of year tends to "cultivate" impatience

lush is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:15 PM
  #179
y2kcanucks
Cult of Personality
 
y2kcanucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,505
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to y2kcanucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by lush View Post
Actually I'm pretty sure they want both, cake and eating it too...

Seriously though, it's Aug 1st, I think this time of year tends to "cultivate" impatience
Lies!!!

__________________
http://www.vancitynitetours.com
y2kcanucks is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:21 PM
  #180
Barney Gumble
Registered User
 
Barney Gumble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,907
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canucker View Post
I'm not sure how you classify Bjugstad, Howden and a 1st round pick as nothing of value though.
1st round pick is essentially offset by us sending them Gaunce.

Bjugstad + Howden < Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon, 1st round pick

Barney Gumble is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:35 PM
  #181
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Gumble View Post
1st round pick is essentially offset by us sending them Gaunce.

Bjugstad + Howden < Dubinsky, Anisimov, Erixon, 1st round pick
Yes, thats because it was Nash. Nash is not Luongo, they play different positions

It is SO much easier to fit in a high end forward onto your team, then booting out your #1 starter for an upgrade. Most teams are more than happy with their goaltending. There is only one starter position on an nhl team. Unlike when it comes to forwards

That leaves you with the teams that need major help in the crease. Which is basically a couple. Because its clear tampa believes in putting the money elsewhere other than the crease and a short deadline of when that player needs to leave the team on top of it. So if both Toronto and Florida aren't willing to bump up the price, the price is what they give you

Hes not going to be on the team come training camp

Plus is rumors are true, Roberto is pushing hard for it to be Florida. And maybe Florida knows this

Either way, if you expect the same return nash got, thats crazy

Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:39 PM
  #182
Barney Gumble
Registered User
 
Barney Gumble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,907
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonymous01 View Post
Yes, thats because it was Nash. Nash is not Luongo
Correct - one play *may* play up to cap hit (he hasn't for a number of years now) the other player *ALREADY* is performing to his cap hit.

Both are deemed "horrible contracts" by the HF critics in the peanut gallery.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonymous01 View Post
Most teams are more than happy with their goaltending.
I'm sure Brian Burke is.

Barney Gumble is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:41 PM
  #183
John Swartzwelder
MOAR TUFFNESS!!!1
 
John Swartzwelder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Victoria, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,366
vCash: 50
Luongo,Gaunce,+ for Gudbranson and goc OK good

John Swartzwelder is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:41 PM
  #184
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Gumble View Post
Correct - one play *may* play up to cap hit (he hasn't for a number of years now) the other player *ALREADY* is performing to his cap hit.

Both are deemed "horrible contracts" by the HF critics in the peanut gallery.



I'm sure Brian Burke is.
Im not looking at contract of either, big contract or not. There will always be people willing to pay for great players, im hardly worried about that. I dont think that carries much weight at all. Its the other facts i mentioned

Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:42 PM
  #185
Barney Gumble
Registered User
 
Barney Gumble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,907
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonymous01 View Post
Im not looking at contract of either, big contract or not.
That's what those HF critics in the peanut gallery claim is the big strike against Luongo (and negative impact on any return) - his contract.

And those same HF critics claimed Sather got the Blue Jackets GM to bend over in the Nash trade.

Barney Gumble is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:43 PM
  #186
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Gumble View Post
Correct - one play *may* play up to cap hit (he hasn't for a number of years now) the other player *ALREADY* is performing to his cap hit.

Both are deemed "horrible contracts" by the HF critics in the peanut gallery.



I'm sure Brian Burke is.
I mentioned there is a couple, yes brian burke and tallon being two.

That doesn't exactly skyrocket the value. If you believe there was only a couple who would have paid a hefty price for nash, youre crazy. I can tell you that any of the 6 teams nash listed would have given a decent package. That ups the value of a player far more

oh and one of the only teams in desperate need of a goaltender barely even have that many good assets to give up in the first place :/


Last edited by Pseudonymous: 08-02-2012 at 04:49 PM.
Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:45 PM
  #187
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Barney Gumble View Post
That's what those HF critics in the peanut gallery claim is the big strike against Luongo (and negative impact on any return) - his contract.
Well thats a shame.

But my point was, luongo wont fetch much. Simply because the demand isn't there. No other reason. There isn't a huge need for a top goaltender. There are alot of great goaltenders in the league and only one starter position on each team and most of them are committed to their goaltenders

Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:46 PM
  #188
y2kcanucks
Cult of Personality
 
y2kcanucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,505
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to y2kcanucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Swartzwelder View Post
Luongo,Gaunce,+ for Gudbranson and goc OK good
I do this. Gudbranson or Huberdeau...

y2kcanucks is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:48 PM
  #189
arsmaster
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 16,793
vCash: 500
That Gaunce rumour is stupid.

I feel bad for anyone who believes a twitter source with 'legit' in it.

If Florida wanted Gaunce (just like if Vancouver wanted Petrovic or Howden) they would have drafted him. Florida picked 3 picks before us with Gaunce on the board.

I guess it's something new to talk about, but makes me feel like I should be in the corner staring at the wall with a pointed hat on...

arsmaster is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:50 PM
  #190
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsmaster View Post
That Gaunce rumour is stupid.

I feel bad for anyone who believes a twitter source with 'legit' in it.

If Florida wanted Gaunce (just like if Vancouver wanted Petrovic or Howden) they would have drafted him. Florida picked 3 picks before us with Gaunce on the board.

I guess it's something new to talk about, but makes me feel like I should be in the corner staring at the wall with a pointed hat on...
Nobody was claiming it was a credible source or true, it sparked the idea of possibly trading him. Which helps us land us some higher end prospects or another great player in the trade.

Its just for the sake of discussion. I think armchair gm trade proposals are completely pointless, doesn't stop it from being a huge part of hfboards. lol so throwing the gaunce's name in there is hardly what makes it seem ridiculous

Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:54 PM
  #191
y2kcanucks
Cult of Personality
 
y2kcanucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,505
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to y2kcanucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonymous01 View Post
Nobody was claiming it was a credible source or true, it sparked the idea of possibly trading him. Which helps us land us some higher end prospects or another great player in the trade.

Its just for the sake of discussion. I think armchair gm trade proposals are completely pointless, doesn't stop it from being a huge part of hfboards. lol so throwing the gaunce's name in there is hardly what makes it seem ridiculous
You don't trade a solid prospect who was just a first round pick, and an elite goalie for a prospect who's slightly better than the guy you just drafted.

Quinton Howden is not a high end prospect either.

It's a terrible proposal.

y2kcanucks is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:55 PM
  #192
arsmaster
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 16,793
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonymous01 View Post
Nobody was claiming it was a credible source or true, it sparked the idea of possibly trading him. Which helps us land us some higher end prospects or another great player in the trade.

Its just for the sake of discussion
The thing is, is Bjugstad really that much higher end of a player?

Gaunce is getting pigeon holed as a 3rd line player right now because he is smart and already has a defensive conscience (while being a PPG player with 28 goals).

Bjugstad is just taller, they have the same negative - skating.

Bjugstad is becoming one of the most overrated prospects I've read on this board since 2008-2009 Cody Hodgson.

arsmaster is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:56 PM
  #193
catbiz
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 18
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kcanucks View Post
I do this. Gudbranson or Huberdeau...
Would you guys consider Schneider for Bjugstad straight up?
Just curious...

catbiz is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:57 PM
  #194
Barney Gumble
Registered User
 
Barney Gumble's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 19,907
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kcanucks View Post
You don't trade a solid prospect who was just a first round pick, and an elite goalie for a prospect who's slightly better than the guy you just drafted.

Quinton Howden is not a high end prospect either.

It's a terrible proposal.
But Luongo has no value. Career 0.919 goalies aren't necessary or needed.

Barney Gumble is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:58 PM
  #195
y2kcanucks
Cult of Personality
 
y2kcanucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,505
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to y2kcanucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by catbiz View Post
Would you guys consider Schneider for Bjugstad straight up?
Just curious...
Not a chance. I would consider Schneider for Markstrom and Bjugstad though. I would also consider Schneider for Huberdeau straight up.

y2kcanucks is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:58 PM
  #196
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsmaster View Post
The thing is, is Bjugstad really that much higher end of a player?

Gaunce is getting pigeon holed as a 3rd line player right now because he is smart and already has a defensive conscience (while being a PPG player with 28 goals).

Bjugstad is just taller, they have the same negative - skating.

Bjugstad is becoming one of the most overrated prospects I've read on this board since 2008-2009 Cody Hodgson.
Im not sure why people are just mentioning Bjugstad, its quite possible adding gaunce to the luongo deal could catch us alot more! whether thats higher end prospect or multiple prospects or what. but its definitely worth considering.. packaging a prospect with a player to land young player/s usually helps considering teams like to keep a prospect pool relatively full... not many just like to get older and trade high prospects for a 33 year old

Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 04:59 PM
  #197
Scottrockztheworld*
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Vancouver
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,301
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsmaster View Post
The thing is, is Bjugstad really that much higher end of a player?

Gaunce is getting pigeon holed as a 3rd line player right now because he is smart and already has a defensive conscience (while being a PPG player with 28 goals).

Bjugstad is just taller, they have the same negative - skating.

Bjugstad is becoming one of the most overrated prospects I've read on this board since 2008-2009 Cody Hodgson.


No nickname like God'son though.....


BjugSTUD?

Scottrockztheworld* is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 05:01 PM
  #198
Pseudonymous
Registered User
 
Pseudonymous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 5,498
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by y2kcanucks View Post
You don't trade a solid prospect who was just a first round pick, and an elite goalie for a prospect who's slightly better than the guy you just drafted.

Quinton Howden is not a high end prospect either.

It's a terrible proposal.
I didn't even suggest that.

I haven't suggested anything really. Who is to say i wasn't talking about their top rookies or top prospects? why do you think i was talking about howden?

a 1st rounder and luongo should be able to fetch a killer player IMO. so no, i wasn't talking about howden

Pseudonymous is offline  
Old
08-02-2012, 05:01 PM
  #199
y2kcanucks
Cult of Personality
 
y2kcanucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,505
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to y2kcanucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by arsmaster View Post
The thing is, is Bjugstad really that much higher end of a player?

Gaunce is getting pigeon holed as a 3rd line player right now because he is smart and already has a defensive conscience (while being a PPG player with 28 goals).

Bjugstad is just taller, they have the same negative - skating.

Bjugstad is becoming one of the most overrated prospects I've read on this board since 2008-2009 Cody Hodgson.
Hodgson wasn't overrated until he came to this organization and we ruined him.

y2kcanucks is online now  
Old
08-02-2012, 05:02 PM
  #200
y2kcanucks
Cult of Personality
 
y2kcanucks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,505
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to y2kcanucks
Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudonymous01 View Post
I didn't even suggest that.

I haven't suggested anything really. Who is to say i wasn't talking about their top rookies or top prospects? why do you think i was talking about howden?

a 1st rounder and luongo should be able to fetch a killer player IMO. so no, i wasn't talking about howden
Just stating in general...the proposal that people are throwing around on here is terrible.

If Luongo and Gaunce are involved then I want to see someone like Huberdeau coming back.

y2kcanucks is online now  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:59 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.