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07-31-2012, 12:37 PM
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Should play be stopped if the puck hits the refs?

Last night during the Blue Jays/Mariners MLB game a ball was hit right off an umpire before one of the Blue Jays could get to it and as a result the play was blown dead and the runners had to stop, so a run which was scored was not allowed.

Anyway that got me thinking if the same thing happened in an NHL game where a puck hit a ref while it was being cleared down the ice should the play be blown dead? When something like that happens it could lead to a goal being scored when it never should have or will we never seea a rule like this because Hockey is a fast game and stuff like that could always happen.

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07-31-2012, 12:42 PM
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If only to stop all the complaining on here if it benefited a team.

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No it shouldn't. It's much rarer for a ump to get hit than a ref to get hit.

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So tired players can "accidentally" feather it at the ref?

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07-31-2012, 12:47 PM
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I'd say "yes" the way it worked now (keep on playing) benefits one team.

It doesn't, so keep it the way it is.

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No. The play would just be blown dead all the time. Also, sometimes it doesn't even make a difference if it went off the ref.

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No, but it is really unfortunate if it changes the game. I remember one instance in a Leafs/Sabres game that the puck bounced off the ref behind the net and came right out in front of the net for a Leafs player in which he scored.

Would be awful if it changed the result of a playoff series.

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07-31-2012, 01:09 PM
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The refs are part of the field of play. It's not a problem.

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The refs are part of the field of play. It's not a problem.
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So tired players can "accidentally" feather it at the ref?
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I say yes, and Canada's 2010 gold medal is hereby stricken from history.

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07-31-2012, 01:19 PM
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some players would do that on purpose for their benefit so no.

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Yes. People forget there's already a Delay of Game penalty in place that would prevent intentional abuse of this rule.

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07-31-2012, 01:28 PM
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Not hockey, but my favorite hitting the ref play:


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07-31-2012, 01:29 PM
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Nah, you'd have the opposite problem where if say, a player is breaking out of the zone to get a puck and the puck hits the ref in the skate, the player loses the breakaway.

Kind of a hard issue to solve really.

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For reference, here is everything in the NHL rulebook about the puck striking an official:

85.4 Puck Striking Official -

- Play shall not be stopped if the puck touches an official anywhere on the rink, regardless of whether a team is short-handed or not.

- A puck that deflects back into the defending zone off an official who is in the neutral zone, will be deemed to be off-side as per Rule 83 Off-side.

- The puck striking or deflecting off an official does not automatically nullify a potential icing.

- When a puck deflects off an official and goes out of play, the ensuing face-off will take place at the face-off spot in the zone nearest to where the puck deflected off the official.

- If a goal is scored as a result of being deflected directly into the net off an official, the goal shall not be allowed.


For a variety of reasons, I think the rule is fine as it is now. I was going to say that referees should have the ability to also wave off a goal if the puck striking them directly causes a goal (for example, an attempt to ice the pick hits the linesman and deflects to centre-ice, resulting in a breakaway to the team that tried to ice it; this happens once in awhile). However, I don't see right now how you can give the referees that power without forcing them to make a split-second decision on the spot. While I agree that it's crappy when a puck deflects off the ref and creates a scoring chance, you don't want to put in a rule that will only create potentially more controversies.

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No. As mentioned already, they're on the rink, they're part of the play and if they get hit, they get hit.

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As a referee myself, maybe.

For anyone who plays/ed minor hockey, they'll surely remember the times where the puck would hit the ref on a dump in or something, and the entire bench simultaneously yells "Move out of the ****ing way ref".

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The refs are on the ice for the entire 60 minutes, each & every game. Count up the number of times, all year, that a strange bounce off a ref has a significant impact on a game.

I suspect the answer is a very low number. This is a non-issue. The play should remain live. Bounces happen.

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So...when the refs make bad calls during the game, players can "accidentally" blast a slapsot at them to stop play?

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So tired players can "accidentally" feather it at the ref?
For this reason right here, it would be a terrible idea.

They already have some hypocritical rules. Ice the puck? Causes a stoppage of play, but no penalty. Shoot the puck over the boards from within your zone? Causes a stoppage of play, but you get a penalty.

We gonna add more stoppages for hitting the ref? Players would totally take advantage of this. And you couldn't apply a penalty, because half the time it could be argued as being the refs fault anyways.

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I think that if the puck hits the ref they shouldn't stop the play, UNLESS it directly results in a goal. If a player shoots the puck around the boards and it hits the ref, keep the play going. However, if the puck hits the ref and it bounces out the front of the net and the opposing team scores, call the goal off. It should be up to the discretion of the officials.

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I want that rule in place now.

Remember that game Mutant League Hockey where you could kill the ref?


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no


but if they set a pick(linesman way where he is not suppose to be) in the stanely cup to set up a goal yes ref interference

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As a referee myself, maybe.

For anyone who plays/ed minor hockey, they'll surely remember the times where the puck would hit the ref on a dump in or something, and the entire bench simultaneously yells "Move out of the ****ing way ref".
The best ones are when the defenseman looks up, sees you standing on the blue line, where you are supposed to be, then proceeds to shoot it directly at you, and yells "get out the way ref" when it hits you


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If the ref is hit and appears injured, just as with a player, play should stop. Should not be automatic.

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