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08-01-2012, 10:56 AM
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How is this any different than what the Japanese Women's soccer team, who's coach said yesterday that he told them not to score so they could get a better draw?

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08-01-2012, 11:03 AM
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That chinese team that tanked was ranked #1. The chinese team they were trying to avoid was ranked #2. They didn't want to play them earlier than they had to. They tanked for their own benefit. IIRC, it's been happening for a while in that sport.

And does it matter if it's tanking for your own benefit or for someone else's? It sounds like that other poster was finding any reason to be mad at the chinese.
They did it so China would go 1-2. They're the #1 team and they should be capable of beating anyone and not tank to avoid a matchup. Totally disgraceful considering their position. More so than for the other teams.

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08-01-2012, 11:08 AM
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Video of the match between China and Korea at the bottom of this link, what a disgraceful spectacle. Glad both teams got the boot.

http://www.businessinsider.com/eight...oaMPwA0eH6IcBv

Moving forward I'm sure they will change the format, but this was still inexcusable.

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08-01-2012, 11:11 AM
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They did it so China would go 1-2. They're the #1 team and they should be capable of beating anyone and not tank to avoid a matchup. Totally disgraceful considering their position. More so than for the other teams.
They are the #1 team but maybe there isn't a lot that separates the #1 and #2 team. It could be the difference between getting a medal and not getting a medal.

And is it a fact that they could have avoided playing them until the finals?

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08-01-2012, 11:18 AM
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They are the #1 team but maybe there isn't a lot that separates the #1 and #2 team. It could be the difference between getting a medal and not getting a medal.

And is it a fact that they could have avoided playing them until the finals?
Yes, but if you're the best team in the world, you play to win the competition - and to win every match - not to get a medal. And if they lose in the semi, they can still get bronze.

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The teams had already qualified for knockout round, but the result ensured that the top-seeded Wang and Yu would have avoided playing their No. 2-seeded Chinese teammates until the final.

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08-01-2012, 11:18 AM
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Good, kick them out which was the good call

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Video of the match between China and Korea at the bottom of this link, what a disgraceful spectacle. Glad both teams got the boot.

http://www.businessinsider.com/eight...oaMPwA0eH6IcBv

Moving forward I'm sure they will change the format, but this was still inexcusable.
I agree and looking at the video both teams were clearly warned by the court side official.

"We are here to play... to compete. If you don't play, both teams can be disqualified. Both teams can be disqualified. And go out of the competition. You understand?"

Not much clearer than that statement. They decided to press forward on losing purposely and suffered the consequences.

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08-01-2012, 11:31 AM
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Yes, but if you're the best team in the world, you play to win the competition - and to win every match - not to get a medal. And if they lose in the semi, they can still get bronze.

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If the chinese team had won that match, they would have played the #2 ranked team in the quarter-finals. They may not have won a medal at all. The best chance to win the competition is by avoiding the #2 ranked team this early in the competition and hope someone else knocks them out before you have to.

I don't think anyone would have cared if there was subtle tanking. Let's be honest. We see that everywhere. Are we just going to ignore that there is completely no tanking in hockey so that teams get a better draft spot? I think the issue here was that the tanking was so blatant.

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If the chinese team had won that match, they would have played the #2 ranked team in the quarter-finals. They may not have won a medal at all. The best chance to win the competition is by avoiding the #2 ranked team this early in the competition and hope someone else knocks them out before you have to.
No, that's wrong. The disqualified Chinese team were in Group A and the #2 Chinese team were in Group D. The crossover for the groups was such that the teams from A and C would play each other in the quarters, and likewise the teams from B and D. They would not have played each other in the quarters.

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08-01-2012, 11:47 AM
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They are the #1 team but maybe there isn't a lot that separates the #1 and #2 team. It could be the difference between getting a medal and not getting a medal.

And is it a fact that they could have avoided playing them until the finals?
yes. when the #2 chinese team lost in the group stages, a win by the #1 chinese team would put them in the same bracket and have the two teams meet in the semi final. by losing they would be placed in opposite brackets and if they won through would meet in the gold medal match.

in the first play to lose match, the #2 korean team knew if they lost the match as expected they would avoid both chinese teams until the gold medal match.

in the second play to lose match, the winner would face the #1 chinese team and most likely no chance at a medal.

worst part of this whole fiasco is that the coaches brought up this exact scenario to the badminton federation about their issues with group play and they were brushed off. now the federation is crying how they cant believe this happened when in reality it has been happening in other tournaments and pretty much every sport where group play is involved.

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08-01-2012, 01:01 PM
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yes. when the #2 chinese team lost in the group stages, a win by the #1 chinese team would put them in the same bracket and have the two teams meet in the semi final. by losing they would be placed in opposite brackets and if they won through would meet in the gold medal match.

in the first play to lose match, the #2 korean team knew if they lost the match as expected they would avoid both chinese teams until the gold medal match.

in the second play to lose match, the winner would face the #1 chinese team and most likely no chance at a medal.

worst part of this whole fiasco is that the coaches brought up this exact scenario to the badminton federation about their issues with group play and they were brushed off. now the federation is crying how they cant believe this happened when in reality it has been happening in other tournaments and pretty much every sport where group play is involved.
Pretty obvious the federation are now doing this to cover their own ***** over a flawed format.

If these were Western European or North American countries involved it would have been blamed on an inept federation and seen as legitimate strategy.

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08-01-2012, 01:20 PM
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Lmao, this bumps Canada to the quarter finals, and they play the 3rd place team in group C. They won't win, but it's funny that Canada gets the spot that the Chinese and South Korean teams were 'match-fixing' for.
Do YOU believe?

Canada into the semis.

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First underage competitors, now Match fixing. Wonder what China will come up with next.

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well now one of russia or canada will win their first ever medal in olympic badminton!

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I guess the flavor of the week is to hate on China. This has happened in every sport with group play, blame the IOC.

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I guess the flavor of the week is to hate on China. This has happened in every sport with group play, blame the IOC.
It is not what they were doing so much, but the flagrant way they disrespected the fans and the spirit of competition. IMO, this badminton match fixing scandal is similar to the Kovalchuk contract. People previously had been pushing the boundaries constantly on a vague rule and then along comes a team (e.g., Devils, Team China/South Korea) that jumps way over the line, not even trying to hide the obviousness at which they are breaking a rule. If one draws that much attention to an illegal situation, one will be punished. Moreover, the badminton players received a formal and direct warning during the match that what they were doing would result in their disqualification. I have little sympathy for them.

As for this happening in every sport with group play... have you ever seen a hockey or soccer team deliberately score goals on themselves in the Olympics to lose a match, which would be the equivalent, IMO?

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Pretty obvious the federation are now doing this to cover their own ***** over a flawed format.

If these were Western European or North American countries involved it would have been blamed on an inept federation and seen as legitimate strategy.
Oh, it's a stupid system. But the competitors have to deal with it.

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08-01-2012, 03:20 PM
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It's happened in minor junior hockey before. There was nothing vague about what happened. If they didn't want teams losing on purpose, then don't give them any reason to do so by putting them in a flawed tournament set up where they would have benefited from losing.

They shouldn't be giving out medals if they are worried about competitors putting themselves in the best position to win one instead of the "spirit of the competition" crap.

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How is this any different than what the Japanese Women's soccer team, who's coach said yesterday that he told them not to score so they could get a better draw?
The difference is there is not another Japanese women's soccer team in the tournament so both compatriots benefit.

The No.1 Chinese badminton team blew their game on purpose to avoid playing the other Chinese duo. China wants to win the gold and the silver.

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The difference is there is not another Japanese women's soccer team in the tournament so both compatriots benefit.

The No.1 Chinese badminton team blew their game on purpose to avoid playing the other Chinese duo. China wants to win the gold and the silver.
Were the Koreans wanting the Chinese teams to win gold and silver too? Because they got both their teams DQed. Was the Indonesian team in on it as well?

They couldn't have been trying to give themselves the best chance win a medal, no one competes in the Olympics for that scrap metal. It's all about the "spirit" or something.

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http://www.bwfbadminton.org/news_item.aspx?id=65297

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The pairs were charged under BWF’s Players’ Code of Conduct – Sections 4.5 and 4.16 respectively – with “not using one’s best efforts to win a match” and “conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport”.
So they already have rules against this kind of behavior.

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thought it was harsh at first but that was just a pathetic display. i kinda feel bad for the players cuz it was probably a higher ups decision tho.

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Don't see why this is put down on. This is pro-sports!

They didn't try to cheat, they gave their best efforts not to win. That's within the rules.

I really don't see the problem with stuff like this. They have played themselves into a position to do whatever they like.

Sweden also did this in Hockey at the Olympics. Don't see any problem with it at all.

Sure it can be bad for some of the others, but then they should have played better from the beginning!


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