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With Mike Green re-signed for 3 more years, I think it's time for the organization to find him a partner that brings out the best of him, and IMO Josh Gorges is one of the best options. He can log heavy minutes, blocks tons of shots, really good defensively but can also move the puck and skates well.
I know Habs fans thinks very highly of him, and that it would take a lot to pry him away from Mtl. But everyone has a price! Question is, what is it?
I'd think if I was a Habs fan that I would be looking for young quality players to form a new younger core with Subban, Price, Pacioretty, Eller, Desharnais, Galchenyuk, Tinordi, Beaulieu. The last three a still atleast a couple of years away from making a heavy impact so players entering their prime around the same time as them would fit the bill best.
What about Dmitry Orlov and Marcus Johansson, It's a heavy price to pay, but a top-4 remaining of Green, Gorges, Carlson and Alzner would in my mind be worth it.
Orlov is a future 2-way stud and Johansson is a speedy top-6 C/W with a great set of hands that needs to add a few pounds, work on his finishing and faceoffs, both still on their ELC's.
You have to give to get, what say you? Close? Could it be a part of something bigger?
Yes, perhaps you would care to explain to me why they would move Gorges for that? They don't need Johanssen, and I doubt Orlov will ever be as good as Gorges. Your lack of knowledge outside of the Caps never ceases to amaze me...
Like I said, It's a hefty price. But Orlov is a #5D and probably won't be climbing up the latter as long as Green and Carlson remain on the team. He's going to be great but the Caps just committed to Green and should try and get the most out of him.
Johansson doesn't have a true role on this Caps team, what is he to the Caps? A center? A winger? 1st line? 2nd line? LW? RW? He's good and going to get better, might be their no.2 C in the future, but not this year. Ribeiro is only signed for 1 more year, but what's to say he isn't re-signed? He's "only" 32 and should have 3-4 seasons left in the tank before declining.
Gorges is part of the core in Montreal. He won't be obtained without an "overpayment", and by the time you've digested the degree of overpayment required, you won't want to trade for him. Basically.
Gorges is part of the core in Montreal. He won't be obtained without an "overpayment", and by the time you've digested the degree of overpayment required, you won't want to trade for him. Basically.
Yes, perhaps you would care to explain to me why they would move Gorges for that? They don't need Johanssen, and I doubt Orlov will ever be as good as Gorges. Your lack of knowledge outside of the Caps never ceases to amaze me...
We definitely do need a top 6 LW...
The reason we do it is we are lacking young top 6 forwards and though I would take Gorges over Orlov every time, if our D could look something like:
Tinordi - Subban
Bealieu - Orlov
Emelin - Ellis
Then all would be in their primes at the same time and half could even be on ELC/second contracts. It would really help define the window where we contend if we can add Galchenyuk, Colberg, Gallagher and Johansson to Patches, Eller, DD, Plek we would have a young team with a bunch of guys on cheap contracts.
I think the Habs are equally enamored with how Gorges does with regards to bringing out the best in a partner, and thus are inclined to keep him with Subban.
It's the right kind of overpayment IMO, but I don't think they're taking any offers at all.
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Like I said, It's a hefty price. But Orlov is a #5D and probably won't be climbing up the latter as long as Green and Carlson remain on the team. He's going to be great but the Caps just committed to Green and should try and get the most out of him.
Johansson doesn't have a true role on this Caps team, what is he to the Caps? A center? A winger? 1st line? 2nd line? LW? RW? He's good and going to get better, might be their no.2 C in the future, but not this year. Ribeiro is only signed for 1 more year, but what's to say he isn't re-signed? He's "only" 32 and should have 3-4 seasons left in the tank before declining.
Where does he fit? As one of 4 legitimate top 6 forwards on this team. And as our future 2C. (Which Ribeiro is not, no matter how you spin it.)
We also don't need a defenseman. We have 8 under NHL contracts, and that's not including Schilling, who's good enough to be one of our bottom pairing defenseman right now.
Orlov shined last year as a rookie. McPhee is very high on him (and Johansson) and probably isn't looking to trade him. He played much much better than Green did in his rookie year.
No, we have more of a need for a Gorges type than we do an Orlov type. We have plenty of PMD types on the roster and in the pipeline. We can not afford to lose Gorges and his shot blocking and shutdown defensive capabilities for Orlov. Yes, I know Johansson is also in the offer. Yes, I like him and think he has great potential. If he had 20 more pounds, I would jump on him. However, again, due to our need for Gorges, we would have to turn down this offer.
I would offer Plekanec for Johansson+ before I would offer Gorges, to be honest.
Where does he fit? As one of 4 legitimate top 6 forwards on this team. And as our future 2C. (Which Ribeiro is not, no matter how you spin it.)
We also don't need a defenseman. We have 8 under NHL contracts, and that's not including Schilling, who's good enough to be one of our bottom pairing defenseman right now.
Orlov shined last year as a rookie. McPhee is very high on him (and Johansson) and probably isn't looking to trade him. He played much much better than Green did in his rookie year.
Yes, but by re-signing Ribeiro it gives the Caps a bigger window to develope/trade/draft a future 2C. And when is this future when he's supposed ready to be the 2C? What if he's not?
Yes, and by trading for Gorges they'd still have 8. And which one of Erskine, Hillen, Schultz, Hamrlik, Schilling is good enough to be a top-4 on a Cup contender?
I'm not saying he didn't, but he isn't going to outplay Green or Carlson in the next few years (and by outplay I mean play more then). Orlov is probably looking at what Jordan Staal faced in Pittsburgh (stuck behind Crosby and Malkin) in a few years, ready for a bigger role but stuck on the depthchart.
No, we have more of a need for a Gorges type than we do an Orlov type. We have plenty of PMD types on the roster and in the pipeline. We can not afford to lose Gorges and his shot blocking and shutdown defensive capabilities for Orlov. Yes, I know Johansson is also in the offer. Yes, I like him and think he has great potential. If he had 20 more pounds, I would jump on him. However, again, due to our need for Gorges, we would have to turn down this offer.
I would offer Plekanec for Johansson+ before I would offer Gorges, to be honest.
Plekanec isn't really a need anymore after Ribeiro arrived.
Yes, but by re-signing Ribeiro it gives the Caps a bigger window to develope/trade/draft a future 2C. And when is this future when he's supposed ready to be the 2C? What if he's not?
It takes two to re-sign a contract, you realize that right? What happens if we lose Johansson and Ribeiro doesn't want to re-sign or is asking for too much money? We don't have any center prospects.
Johansson is our future 2C, and George is not looking to trade him.
In our systen we have Gorges 2.0 (Morgan Ellis) and other potential shutdown d-man like Tinordi, Pateryn and Emelin, but we won't be looking to trade Gorges until we are 100% sure they'll be as effective. Maybe in 2 years, but right now, he's almost if not already untouchable. We extended his contract this year and even in 2 years we want him in the team not only as a dman, but he may be the future captain.
What if Kuznetsov came into play? I would think that it would be pretty enticing for Habs fans to dream about one top-6 line with Pacioretty and Desharnais and one line with Galchenyuk and Kuznetsov?
The downside, Kuznetsov isn't coming over this or next year, but Galchenyuk won't be having an important role until then anyway.
? - Galchenyuk-Kuznetsov
Pacioretty-Desharnais-Collberg
? - Eller - Geoffrion
Tinordi - Subban
Beaulieu - Orlov
Emelin - Ellis
Price
Of course getting Kuznetsov would have to include something juicy coming back the Caps way.
It takes two to re-sign a contract, you realize that right? What happens if we lose Johansson and Ribeiro doesn't want to re-sign or is asking for too much money? We don't have any center prospects.
Johansson is our future 2C, and George is not looking to trade him.
Johansson's contract ends after this season as well and might also be asking for too much money, did you ever consider that?
And if both are gone GMGM can offer Ribs+Hamrlik+Erskine's money to Getzlaf, Zajac, McDonald, Roy, Fisher or Weiss. And Caps should be more appealing to an UFA with a great top-4.
Johansson's contract ends after this season as well and might also be asking for too much money, did you ever consider that?
And if both are gone GMGM can offer Ribs+Hamrlik+Erskine's money to Getzlaf, Zajac, McDonald, Roy, Fisher or Weiss. And Caps should be more appealing to an UFA with a great top-4.
He's an RFA. A much wiser investment than a 32 year old UFA.
And he definitely won't be asking for more than Ribeiro.
As others have said, it's an easy pass for Montreal. We have comparable prospects to Johansson in our system (and we dont need undersized centers) and we already have too many PMD for our roster. Gorges played some of the toughest minutes in the NHL and excelled. I'm not sure there is a realistic deal to be made for Gorges. I wouldn't move him unless it was a painful overpay.
MW6 has such a fascination with attempting to trade Johansson. It's getting pretty hilarious.
Montreal just extended Gorges and they value him in a similar fashion to how the Caps value Alzner. It's not going to happen. Besides, if I was going to overpay for a defensive partner for Green, I'd go for Giordano before I went for Gorges.
