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Sabres-Ducks: Ryan for Vanek+

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08-01-2012, 01:28 AM
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Sabres-Ducks: Ryan for Vanek+

So I'm willing to bet this proposal's been thrown out a few times on the HFBoards here somewhere.

Sabres get:

Bobby Ryan

Ducks get:

Thomas Vanek
Luke Adam
2013 1st

I'm one of those people who believes that plain and simple, Bobby Ryan is a guy you sell the farm for. He's a game changer, is only just beginning to scratch the surface of his potential, and bringing him to Buffalo would instantly change the cultural makeup up the franchise.

Vanek's an incredible talent, yes, but I'm inclined to believe he's peaked w/ us, and a change in scenery (along w/ a shot to play w/ Getzlaf) might open a new page for him. Meanwhile, Luke Adam would get a chance to flourish in Cali, and having had two first round picks this year effectively makes this one expendable.

What are our thoughts?? Would either team need to add?? If so, how??

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08-01-2012, 01:32 AM
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I don't understand why so many people don't get this: Vanek for Ryan will not happen. Ducks aren't going to add that salary.

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I don't understand why so many people don't get this: Vanek for Ryan will not happen. Ducks aren't going to add that salary.
Then why not throw in a cap dump of some kind to balance it out?? Is the quality/value accurate at least??

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Then why not throw in a cap dump of some kind to balance it out?? Is the quality/value accurate at least??
It's overpayment from Buffalo.
Ryan > Vanek (mostly because he's younger and faster but also because he hits). But not 1st rounder in a deep draft and a decent prospect >.

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Not a chance

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hmm... lets see..

ryan+cogs

vanek+1st+adam+prospect?

you gusy are apparently looking for a 3rd line C anyway who sucks at FO's.. cogs could be that guy

what y'all think (i'm not too sure if I would do that though actually haha...)

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Not sure why the Sabres would add that much to acquire Ryan. Sure Ryan's younger and cheaper but Vanek is still a tremendous goal scorer himself. I'd take out the 1st to bring the value close to fair.

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Why in the hell does this make sense for buffalo, this vanek sucks and ryan is god stuff thats going on with sabres fans needs to stop

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massive overpayment by buffalo.

how about

Ryan
Cogliano

for

Adam - Solid 2nd line center option
Pysyk - Will be a good top 4 D
Catenacci - Another promising C prospect for Anaheim's prospect pool
Stafford - Top 6 winger w/ a complete game
1st

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massive overpayment by buffalo.

how about

Ryan
Cogliano

for

Adam - Solid 2nd line center option
Pysyk - Will be a good top 4 D
Catenacci - Another promising C prospect for Anaheim's prospect pool
Stafford - Top 6 winger w/ a complete game
1st
Ugh same package no Duck fan wants

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Ugh same package no Duck fan wants
I'd add Hodgson but then I'd have to subtract Adam and Catenacci.

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I'd add Hodgson but then I'd have to subtract Adam and Catenacci.
I wouldnt do that.

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I wouldnt do that.
put a little more faith in the g's

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I don't understand why so many people don't get this: Vanek for Ryan will not happen. Ducks aren't going to add that salary.
It's only 900k in actual salary which isn't too bad. If Buffalo takes Cogliano to even out cap hits, I'd definitely do that deal.

Vanek, Adam & a 1st

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Ryan & Cogliano

If anything, Anaheim should be adding to that deal although it's pretty even IMO. It also gives us two players who can play LW, something we're lacking outside of Winnik and DSP.

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put a little more faith in the g's
Bring this deal up next summer and we'll see, the G's are 18. Not ready to carry top 6 NHL center roles at the age of 18. Not to mention how good Hodgson could turn out

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It's only 900k in actual salary which isn't too bad. If Buffalo takes Cogliano to even out cap hits, I'd definitely do that deal.

Vanek, Adam & a 1st

for

Ryan & Cogliano

If anything, Anaheim should be adding to that deal although it's pretty even IMO. It also gives us two players who can play LW, something we're lacking outside of Winnik and DSP.
So we basically downgrade from Ryan to Vanek to improve 3rd line centre (Cogs to Adam) and get a mid 1st rounder.

Yea, that gets me excited. No.

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So we basically downgrade from Ryan to Vanek to improve 3rd line centre (Cogs to Adam) and get a mid 1st rounder.

Yea, that gets me excited. No.
It's barely a downgrade and Vanek would fit in very well with Getzlaf and Perry. Adam is more suited as a LWer, is only 22 and projects to be better than Cogliano going forward and IMO is already on par with him. The first gives us an asset to use at the deadline if we need to make any trades leading up to the playoffs. The value is definitely there, you can't deny that.

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It's barely a downgrade and Vanek would fit in very well with Getzlaf and Perry. Adam is more suited as a LWer, is only 22 and projects to be better than Cogliano going forward and IMO is already on par with him. The first gives us an asset to use at the deadline if we need to make any trades leading up to the playoffs.
It is a definite downgrade, Vanek is far less physical, bit older and less productive at even strength. I'm not for trading Ryan so someone else can play with the twins. For me it's basically a 2nd line C, or a ridiculous overpayment. Anything else gives me no incentive to move Ryan.

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The value is definitely there, you can't deny that.
I'm not denying the value, I'm denying the philosophy behind the trade.

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No need to overpay for Bobby Ryan. Trading Vanek for Ryan isn't making the team better.

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The sabres don't trade Vanek for Ryan. It would be a lateral move. The reason to get ryan would be to add a scoring, power forward who throws hits to play with Vanek. If we trade vanek for ryan wed just be looking for a skilled sniper/net camper to play with Ryan. It makes no sense.

Also, in actual Cash, Vanek doesn't make THAT much more then Ryan....he's making 6.4 this year and next year....either way this doesn't make sense.



That being said, what's the going value on Holland these days?

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That being said, what's the going value on Holland these days?
He was the best player at prospect camp, and we're weak down the middle. Unless we're trading him as part of an offer for a young top six center, I don't see him being moved.

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He was the best player at prospect camp, and we're weak down the middle. Unless we're trading him as part of an offer for a young top six center, I don't see him being moved.
He still projects into the top 6 though? How close is he to being NHL ready? I'm thinking that if he is ready to step into the NHL, I would be comfortable moving Ennis or Hodgeson (+) in a deal for Ryan and Holland if you'd be willing to move both.

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He's near NHL, but not guaranteed to make the line-up out of camp. It's a situation where we have to wait and see. However, if we haven't signed a 4th line center by then, I'm sure that they think he's ready to go.

I don't see a deal with Buffalo that has both players getting packaged together. I think we'd rather just stick with what we have.

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He's near NHL, but not guaranteed to make the line-up out of camp. It's a situation where we have to wait and see. However, if we haven't signed a 4th line center by then, I'm sure that they think he's ready to go.

I don't see a deal with Buffalo that has both players getting packaged together. I think we'd rather just stick with what we have.
Thanks, I was just curious because I havnt heard much about him since the trade deadline last season.

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He still projects into the top 6 though? How close is he to being NHL ready? I'm thinking that if he is ready to step into the NHL
He's very near ready.

Yawney (back in March):
Peter Holland, from what Ive seen, has been in the last 10 games one of the most dominant 20-year-olds Ive ever seen, its not even close. Hes maxing out his talent. Hes playing a 200-foot game. And he wants the puck every time hes on the ice. Every night, hes bringing it.

Boudreau (after prospects camp):
I thought Peter Holland here showed me a lot of what he can bring to the table.

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I would be comfortable moving Ennis or Hodgeson (+) in a deal for Ryan and Holland if you'd be willing to move both.
Forget about it.

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