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08-02-2012, 01:15 PM
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Weber:"Change of Scenery Wouldn't Be All That Bad..."

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He wants to play. Its fairly obvious he thinks that.

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Rightfully so, he was downright terrible last year. If he's still on the roster next season and he still makes the same stupidly weak plays, terrible pinches and awful point-play I think we can all agree that his goose is cooked.

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Rightfully so, he was downright terrible last year. If he's still on the roster next season and he still makes the same stupidly weak plays, terrible pinches and awful point-play I think we can all agree that his goose is cooked.
Last year was the best chance he had to get a regular spot since he was competing with two rookies (Emelin&Diaz) and two ****** vets (Kaberle and Campoli). Yet he failed to impress anyone.

Unless he really does get much better he won't get a better chance elsewere. He looked fairly promising not too long ago, shame that he never actually broke out.

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Rightfully so, he was downright terrible last year. If he's still on the roster next season and he still makes the same stupidly weak plays, terrible pinches and awful point-play I think we can all agree that his goose is cooked.
It's been cooked in my eyes. Diaz is better at everything.

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I still think he'll have a very solid career, we had too many soft similar defenseman last year which led to him struggling. Definitely could use a change of scenery and with confidence he'll be a very solid PP specialist.

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However, I don't want to lose him for nothing.

Any prospect that is struggling we could acquire for him? What is he worth, draft round wise?

I wish him the best, but don't want to lose an asset for a bag of pucks

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However, I don't want to lose him for nothing.

Any prospect that is struggling we could acquire for him? What is he worth, draft round wise?

I wish him the best, but don't want to lose an asset for a bag of pucks
We should package him and something else for Kyle Beach.

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08-02-2012, 01:31 PM
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Last year was the best chance he had to get a regular spot since he was competing with two rookies (Emelin&Diaz) and two ****** vets (Kaberle and Campoli). Yet he failed to impress anyone.

Unless he really does get much better he won't get a better chance elsewere. He looked fairly promising not too long ago, shame that he never actually broke out.
I totally agree but there are still some ardent supporters who'll say that he wasn't so bad and that he's our best PP threat - if his atrocious play continues onto next season then we won't have any defenders (other than his ma and pa, of course).

I don't wish him harm but he was bad and we're not at a point where we can just play bad players for the hell of it - we're the Montreal Canadiens and we just finished dead last in the conference, enough mediocrity.

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For sure he wants to play but I think it wouldn't be in the team interest to trade him. Even tough he had hard times last year he showed potential especially in the first 20 games or so where he played about 20 min/g.

Plus, it seems like swiss players develop late in their career (Diaz and Streit).

He is only 23 years old and already as over 100 games in the NHL, not bad at all.

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Looks like the writing is in the wall.

See ya later Weber. You had some promise but Streit, you are not!

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Trade him. He got his chance and was awful.

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Weber = Marc-Andre Bergeron but better defensively and worse offensively. Therefore, he is simply below average. Doubt he ever cracks a playoff teams top six.

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Why let him go?

He is currently our 8th defenseman:

Subban-Gorges
Markov-Emelin
Kaberle-Bouillon
Diaz, Weber, St-Denis

Once the inevitable injuries happen, and the Habs often have 2, 3, or 4 simultaneous injuries on defense, he'll get another chance.

He has the potential to be a good PP specialist as he has a good shot, which is something our system needs.

IMO he should be allowed to start in Hamilton, and if he does well, he should be called up once we need injury replacements.

He's young. Young players sometimes screw up or take longer to develop. See Ron Hainsey, Francois Beauchemin and Ryan McDonagh.

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His lack of intensity, is and will be his downfall.

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MB can probably move him for a 4th once the season is underway.

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Weber = Marc-Andre Bergeron but better defensively and worse offensively. Therefore, he is simply below average. Doubt he ever cracks a playoff teams top six.
So he's like Marc-Andre Bergeron but... he's not really like Marc-Andre Bergeron?

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Weber = Marc-Andre Bergeron but better defensively and worse offensively. Therefore, he is simply below average. Doubt he ever cracks a playoff teams top six.


That's a terrible comparaison. Weber is a much better skater than MAB, and he rarely get catch out of position because of a open-ice hit attempt. He is less physical, he's more of a passer than a shooter on the PP, etc.

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So he's like Marc-Andre Bergeron but... he's not really like Marc-Andre Bergeron?
Allow me to elaborate:

Weber is not very good defensively, but he is better than MAB. However, he is much worse offensively than MAB since he has a good shot, but is not a great passer either. Therefore, slightly better defensively than MAB and worse offensively than MAB.

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I like weber but no chance here. Send him to New Jersey. Deboer coached him in kitchener said he was the best D in the OHL at the time I believe.

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Why let him go?

He is currently our 8th defenseman:

Subban-Gorges
Markov-Emelin
Kaberle-Bouillon
Diaz, Weber, St-Denis

Once the inevitable injuries happen, and the Habs often have 2, 3, or 4 simultaneous injuries on defense, he'll get another chance.

He has the potential to be a good PP specialist as he has a good shot, which is something our system needs.

IMO he should be allowed to start in Hamilton, and if he does well, he should be called up once we need injury replacements.

He's young. Young players sometimes screw up or take longer to develop. See Ron Hainsey, Francois Beauchemin and Ryan McDonagh.
He would have to go trough waivers in order to be sent to the AHL. If he's not claims, it means we couldn't have traded him. If he's claimed then we'll have lost him for nothing.

I'm puzzled you mentionned Ryan McDonagh. He was drafted the same year as Weber yet he's now a top pairing defensemen. McDonagh might have been in the NHL and certainly AHL earlier if he didn't opt to stay this long at Uni since he ended up becaming a NHL regular in his first pro season. A far cry from Beauchemin or Hainsey who became regulars in their mid 20ies after getting waived.

Weber could become a decent defensemen down the road but I'm not sure we can afford to be patient with him with so many good young defensemen coming up. With Ellis, Beaulieu, Tinordi and another waive of good prospects in Dietz and Thrower coming after them there won't be place left for him.

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Allow me to elaborate:

Weber is not very good defensively, but he is better than MAB. However, he is much worse offensively than MAB since he has a good shot, but is not a great passer either. Therefore, slightly better defensively than MAB and worse offensively than MAB.
I agree. He's too average defensively to face strong opponents yet not strong enough offensively to drive our powerplay. It would really help him if he were a better skater. A defensemen of his size needs to be fast or utterly fearless (see Gorges). He's neither.


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He looked so good the first few weeks of the season too. I really thought he was finally going to establish himself.

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I had high hopes for this guy, loved his slap shot when he played jr but his game just doesn't translate to NHL

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Victim of our redundent defense i guess. Also playing him as a forward sometimes on the fourth line was not the right option for his developement. All i can say is come to camp and win yourself a spot kido.

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Honestly with the great prospects we have on defense, I don't see there being any room for Weber in the near future.

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