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08-03-2012, 02:16 PM
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Might want to consider Finnish runner Paavo Nurmi with 9 olympic gold and 3 silver medals and 5 of those gold were from Paris 1924.
Would have probably won the marathon in LA 1932 if not for the Swedes...

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08-03-2012, 02:26 PM
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AINEC is probably the most annoying acronym ever.

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08-03-2012, 02:28 PM
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AINEC is probably the most annoying acronym ever.
Would you say 'AINEC is probably the most annoying acronym ever AINEC' ?

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08-03-2012, 02:28 PM
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Phelps, easy.

And the OP may want to consider Steve Redgrave, with 5 golds in 5 Olympics. And I could see Usain Bolt being considered if he were to sweep up here and get a few golds in Rio too. Though I don't think he will.

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So, you're going to penalize Phelps because he takes advantage of his opportunities?
He doesn't, he just says that more medals doesn't mean more domination, which is quite reasonable.

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08-03-2012, 03:18 PM
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He doesn't, he just says that more medals doesn't mean more domination, which is quite reasonable.
More medals over more disciplines is dominant

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08-03-2012, 03:47 PM
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Disclaimer: at the end of the day, arguing over who was doped and who wasn't is a dead-end game in the lack of positive tests, so you have to evaluate things on what happened and what is known, not what is rumored or believed, or else the argument spirals completely out of control.

With that said, I'd probably go with Carl Lewis for his consistently excellent performances in multiple track events, and in particular his domination of the long jump. This excellent piece by Joe Posnanski provides some of the details for his case:

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/201...foot-jump.html

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Lewis is often remembered, as he almost certainly should be, as one of the greatest American athletes ever. He might be the greatest. He has a case. Lewis won 10 Olympic medals -- nine of them gold. He won eight golds at the World Championships. In 1984 -- four years after the U.S. had boycotted the Moscow games, and in a year when the Communist bloc nations returned the boycott -- he pulled the Jesse Owens quadruple, winning gold in the 100, 200, long jump and the 4x100 relay. In 1988, he won gold in the 100 retroactively when Ben Johnson tested positive for a banned substance. Later, Lewis would be given the 100-meter world record as Johnson's was wiped off the books. He set the world record for himself in the 100 at the World Championships in 1991.

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Before Lewis, after Lewis, no man had ever won long jump gold medals at TWO Olympics. The sport simply features too many variables and demands too many things to go right to repeat. Carl Lewis won FOUR STRAIGHT long jump golds.

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More medals over more disciplines is dominant
I'd argue against that.

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phelps. /thread

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Greatest WINTER Olympian? Bonnie Blair.

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Eddie the Eagle is by far the greatest Olympian ever!


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Greatest WINTER Olympian? Bonnie Blair.
Not even the best speed skater

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phelps. /thread
No. /reopen thread

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Another vote for Phelps

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08-03-2012, 06:11 PM
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Disclaimer: at the end of the day, arguing over who was doped and who wasn't is a dead-end game in the lack of positive tests, so you have to evaluate things on what happened and what is known, not what is rumored or believed, or else the argument spirals completely out of control.

With that said, I'd probably go with Carl Lewis for his consistently excellent performances in multiple track events, and in particular his domination of the long jump. This excellent piece by Joe Posnanski provides some of the details for his case:

http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/201...foot-jump.html
He also bled on the track every time and was faster than god:


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How can anyone say Phelps AINEC? Yes, he might have the most medals and most golds but how many athletes get a shot at 8 different medals in each game? The longevity it would require to win that many medals in another sport is impossible.
And how many Olympians could even win 8 events? Like I've said before, the fact that Phelps is the best at so many different things only helps the argument for best of all time.

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Has to be phelps

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Can't believe no one mention Eric Heiden. He won 500, 1000, 1500, 5000 and 10000 in same Olympics. That won't happen again. It's extremely difficult to train for both short and long distance. That's like winning 50, 100, 200, 400 and 1500 in swimming events.

Heiden is an easily best overall and greatest speed skater of all time.


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Can't believe no one mention Eric Heiden. He won 500, 1000, 1500, 5000 and 10000 in same Olympics. That won't happen again. It's extremely difficult to train for both short and long distance. That's like winning 50, 100, 200, 400 and 1500 in swimming events.

Heiden is an easily best overall and greatest speed skater of all time.
Bjørn Dæhlie (Bjoern Daehlie).

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Bjørn Erlend Dæhlie (born 19 June 1967) is a Norwegian businessman and retired cross-country skier. With 8 olympic gold medals, Dæhlie is the most successful winter olympic champion of all time. With nine gold medals in the Nord World Ski Championships he is in addition the most winning World Champion skier. Dæhlie won a total of 29 medals in the Olympics and World Championships in the period between 1991 and 1999, making Dæhlie the most successful cross-country skier in history.

Dæhlie's eight Olympic titles are a record for the Winter Olympics, as are his total of 12 Olympic medals (he also won four silver medals) which he amassed in three Olympics (Albertville, Lillehammer and Nagano). In addition to his achievements at the Olympics he had great success in the World Championships where he won 17 medals of which 9 were gold medals. He was particularly successful in the Trondheim 1997 World Championships, where he earned medals in all five events. A career-ending roller skiing accident in 2000 prevented Dæhlie from adding more medals to his collection. Despite his unanticipated early exit from the sport, Dæhlie is considered by many to be the greatest Winter Olympic athlete of all time.
And, i think it was in Nagano in 98, were he refused to go to the podium until all had finished the race. He stood there, waiting for 30 minutes and greeted Philip Boit from Kenya coming in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19zlBk1WksQ

Interview with Boit and others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BR3Eefcgcw

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Teofilo Stevenson...the communist Mohammed Ali


edit: omg, I just checked Wiki and apparently he died in June. RIP.

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I'm going to add an honourable mention for Clara Hughes. 6 Olympic medals - 2 bronze as a cyclist in the summer olympics; a gold, silver, and 2 bronze as a speed skater over 3 winter olympics. obviously not the "greatest ever" ... but it's like she deserves a special category or something.
I think she is the only athlete with multiple medals in the winter and summer games... so she does have that category to herself. She's definitely a warrior.

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I think she is the only athlete with multiple medals in the winter and summer games... so she does have that category to herself. She's definitely a warrior.
No, an East German athlete did that back in the 80's.

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No, an East German athlete did that back in the 80's.
I'm talking about multiple medals. There are actually 4 atheletes who have medals in both games, but only hughes has multiple medals in both games

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And how many Olympians could even win 8 events? Like I've said before, the fact that Phelps is the best at so many different things only helps the argument for best of all time.
i agree with you. if it were just winning medals of multiple colours in numerous events then you could say "well, he's getting more medals but he's getting more opportunities...but it's the fact he won the gold in so many events which gets me.

I'd say Phelps or Carl Lewis.

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