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08-03-2012, 04:10 AM
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Too bad NHL experience isn't worth anything in a trade.

Oh, nevermind, this is HF, logic doesn't apply here.

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The timing is not right for Florida to acquire Luongo.

Summer 2013 or 2017 will be more right.

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08-03-2012, 05:01 AM
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Top 3 in the world? Rinne, Lundqvist, Quick?
There is at least 13 "top 3" goalies in the league and Luongo is one of them. (Just look at the different top 3 goalies ranking around the web, or different forum).

I could find 18 goalies named in a ''top 5''

Here is the list of all the ''top 5'' goalie, in no particular order.....

Lundqvist
Quick
Rinne
Kiprusoff
Smith
Miller
Price
Brodeur
Bryzgalov
Ward
Luongo
Fleury
Rask
Halak
Schneider
Howard
Pavelec
Elliott

And the rest of the ''top 10''

Lindback
Lethonen
Reimer
Nabokov
Hiller
Varlamov
Backstrom
Holtby
Anderson


So we have 18 ''top 5'' goalies and 27 ''top 10''

More than half the starter is a top 5 and almost all the starter in the league is a top 10.

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08-03-2012, 05:19 AM
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Most people would rank Luongo between 4 and 7.

If it takes overpayment to pry Bjugstad, I wouldn't do it. We have Schroeder and Gaunce in our system, and Florida needs Bjugstad more than we do.

If it makes more sense for them to trade from their position of strength(young defense), thrn a prospect like Petrovic makes a lot of sense(big, tough, rhd).

We're trying to improve our prospect pool, so I don't see us sending prospects the other way.

I would be satisfied with Petrovic, 1st, Theodore.

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08-03-2012, 05:33 AM
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I would be satisfied with Petrovic, 1st, Theodore.
You can't be serious.

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08-03-2012, 05:56 AM
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You can't be serious.
Why not?

Petrovic is 6'4 and a borderline blue chipper with a mean streak. The 1st will be in a deep draft, and will probably be higher than last year.

Theodore is a perfect backup for a year to get Schneider started and then we can bring Lack in once Schneider's established himself.

I wouldn't be ecstatic(Versteeg+1st+Bjugstad), but I would be satisfied.

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I wouldn't even do Petrovic for Luongo.

Value is there for Florida, definitely(steal), but, no point in giving up our top prospects for a goalie.

I think Gillis has no problem going with both goalies to start the year, thus the high asking price.

If Cory struggles, or get injured, having Luongo as your backup is a nice #2 lol.

IMO Tallon wouldn't mind going with Theodore and Clemmenson again since:
1. Both are cheap
2. Theo has one more year at 1.5mil, Clemm only 2 years
3. Both played well enough to get us into the playoffs last year.
4. 2.7 mil combined salary between the two is easier to handle than 7.9 mil(Lu and Clemmer) if we need to spend money to upgrade a forward spot.

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Why not?

Petrovic is 6'4 and a borderline blue chipper with a mean streak. The 1st will be in a deep draft, and will probably be higher than last year.

Theodore is a perfect backup for a year to get Schneider started and then we can bring Lack in once Schneider's established himself.

I wouldn't be ecstatic(Versteeg+1st+Bjugstad), but I would be satisfied.
I'd do Petrovic + Howden + 1st...and Upshall if FLA wants.

I think the Panthers 1st will be top 10 next year even with Luongo...just think they are falling behind the teams in their division.

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You're not getting Bjugstad, get over it.

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I'd do Petrovic + Howden + 1st...and Upshall if FLA wants.

I think the Panthers 1st will be top 10 next year even with Luongo...just think they are falling behind the teams in their division.
Im not giving up two of our top five prospects, and a 1st rounder, for Luongo, no way!

This is the second of two threads with Bjugstad in it. Why is it so hard to understand that Tallon will not move Bjugstad for Luongo. If a proposal wants to be made with other players, fine, but this one should just be closed.

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3 time finalist my mistake...still trying to. compare him to Joseph is hilarious there stats and accomplishments aren't even close and Lu still has a good 5 solid years in him.
Please don't take this as an insult to Luongo, but being a hockey fan a long time, i remember Joseph in 93 beating the Hawks in a sweep and the Leafs to 7 games literally by himself. He was also stellar for the Oilers in a series against Dallas 1 year. Then of course he was a workhorse here as well....man i miss him.....

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Again way to over value prospects
Such a dumb statement. Guess what, if reports can be believed, Lou's not a Panther because Tallon won't move Jugs.

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08-03-2012, 08:27 AM
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Again way to over value prospects
Way to make another useless contribution to a thread, "again"

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Lol tons of things wrong with ur posts.....there's tons of people who would agree that he's a future hall of famer...just because he hasent won a cup doesn't mean he won't get into he hall....he's a 3 time vezina trophy winner.....a 2 time allstar and he has other personal trophys...and your trying to compare him to Joseph, give ur head a shake bud there not in the same league....
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To Toronto:Roberto Luongo,Hanson



To Vancouver:1st round picks 2013,2014, and Kadri,Jesse Blacker.

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To Toronto:Roberto Luongo,Hanson



To Vancouver:1st round picks 2013,2014, and Kadri,Jesse Blacker.
Way to much. If past experience has taught us anything,(Kessel deal) you don't blindly trade 1st's when you perenially miss the post season.

NOW, to those that will say "Luongo WILL get you into the playoffs for sure", i'm sure that you won't mind those picks being conditional on the Leafs making the playoffs.....right?

Sorry for all of the edits, just wanted to say, this is coming from one Leaf fan who would like Luongo here.


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We're not offloading Hansen just to get rid of Luongo.

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Way to much. If past experience has taught us anything,(Kessel deal) you don't blindly trade 1st's when you perenially miss the post season.

NOW, to those that will say "Luongo WILL get you into the playoffs for sure", i'm sure that you won't mind those picks being conditional on the Leafs making the playoffs.....right?

Sorry for all of the edits, just wanted to say, this is coming from one Leaf fan who would like Luongo here.
I'm not a leaf fan at all...but I don't think they'll be that far Down the standings Any more ...I think the only thing there missing is a star goalie that can steal games..and hurdle them into the playoffs...I'd do the.

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I'm not a leaf fan at all...but I don't think they'll be that far Down the standings Any more ...I think the only thing there missing is a star goalie that can steal games..and hurdle them into the playoffs...I'd do the.
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I wouldn't even do Petrovic for Luongo.

Value is there for Florida, definitely(steal), but, no point in giving up our top prospects for a goalie.

I think Gillis has no problem going with both goalies to start the year, thus the high asking price.

If Cory struggles, or get injured, having Luongo as your backup is a nice #2 lol.

IMO Tallon wouldn't mind going with Theodore and Clemmenson again since:
1. Both are cheap
2. Theo has one more year at 1.5mil, Clemm only 2 years
3. Both played well enough to get us into the playoffs last year.
4. 2.7 mil combined salary between the two is easier to handle than 7.9 mil(Lu and Clemmer) if we need to spend money to upgrade a forward spot.
You guys and your 20 "top prospects"

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You guys and your 20 "top prospects"

20? Yea ok...

It's really only 5 guys Panther fans are hesistant to see traded:
Huberdeau, Bjugstad, Markstrom, Petrovic and Howden.

Especially when the proposed deals enolve a 33year old goaltender who left here on a weird note, and would be a slight upgrade over Theodore.

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I wouldn't even do Petrovic for Luongo.

Value is there for Florida, definitely(steal), but, no point in giving up our top prospects for a goalie.

I think Gillis has no problem going with both goalies to start the year, thus the high asking price.

If Cory struggles, or get injured, having Luongo as your backup is a nice #2 lol.

IMO Tallon wouldn't mind going with Theodore and Clemmenson again since:
1. Both are cheap
2. Theo has one more year at 1.5mil, Clemm only 2 years
3. Both played well enough to get us into the playoffs last year.
4. 2.7 mil combined salary between the two is easier to handle than 7.9 mil(Lu and Clemmer) if we need to spend money to upgrade a forward spot.
At some point, all teams have to either deal from their prospect pool to fill holes and compete, or get lucky with free agent signings. I don't think deal 1 of your top 5 prospects is a terrible deal for an all-star goalie who will guarantee you a playoff berth. You can't wait around forever, you guys need to try to build on the season you had last year. As of right now, you haven't made many moves to help accomplish that. Deal from a position of strength to strengthen a position of weakness, that's what teams do. Heck, that's what we're trying to do too!

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You guys and your 20 "top prospects"
You guys and your irrelevant comments "" Who is mentioning 20 "top prospects?" Because you see our prospects thread on our board? Excuse us if we dont want to give up any of our top 3 or 4 prospects for Luongo. Man, what are we thinking for not agreeing with you

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20? Yea ok...

It's really only 5 guys Panther fans are hesistant to see traded:
Huberdeau, Bjugstad, Markstrom, Petrovic and Howden.

Especially when the proposed deals enolve a 33year old goaltender who left here on a weird note, and would be a slight upgrade over Theodore.


Theodore had a good year last year but if you look at his past he is consistently a guy who is inconsistent! Expecting him to be as good or better then last year is a HUGE risk. He is no where near the level of Luongo.


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You guys and your irrelevant comments "" Who is mentioning 20 "top prospects?" Because you see our prospects thread on our board? Excuse us if we dont want to give up any of our top 3 or 4 prospects for Luongo. Man, what are we thinking for not agreeing with you
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Vancouver trades;
Luongo
Gaunce/Schroeder
Hansen/Raymond

Florida trades;
Bjugstad
Matthais

Vancouver does this only if they sign Arnott and know Doan will sign with them. Vancouver sheds needed cap if they are to sign Doan.

Florida gets Luongo to keep them in the playoff picture, and to help mentor Marmstrom. They also get a speedy winger and a B prospect.

Vancouver might have to add a pick to make this deal work.
1st of all its Markstrom not Marmstrom


2nd, its not so much the value that is off. If the Panthers only goalies were Theodore, Clemmensen, and a bunch of mediocre prospects they'd be stupid not to take this deal. However you are expecting the Panthers to create the same situation that the Canucks have gotten themselves into. Markstrom is not 2-3 years away, he is ready to take the starting role as early as this season. Unless Luongo sits on the bench and mentors him, there is no reason to sit the best goalie prospect in the world while Luongo plays.

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