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What would it take Toronto to get Upshall?

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01-18-2005, 11:59 AM
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But he can play professional, and has for the last couple of years. I'm not saying that Weber wouldn't make it but there still is the possibility.

It was just a proposal. I'm just a fan of Upshall. I also liked what I saw of Weber at the WJC. Nashville fans are always posting that they need a skilled centerman, and Stajan could potentially fill the role. I appreciate Stajan's talents and abilities, I just didn't like how he was thrown around last year (like a ragdoll). Sure he could gain the weight, but he still seemed timid playing amongst NHL calibre players. I know it was his first full year, but you have to play like a man to stay in the big leagues.

and i agree that nashville should throw a LITTLE extra in with upshall to make the deal happen...but throwing shea weber in is throwing A LOT extra in. klein, stehlik, hutchinson, niskala are all solid prospects(with klein and hutch toward the higher end) that WOULD be available, but weber is the only d-man in that mold that we even have, and is hands down our number 3 prospect, behind only suter and radulov.

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and i agree that nashville should throw a LITTLE extra in with upshall to make the deal happen...but throwing shea weber in is throwing A LOT extra in. klein, stehlik, hutchinson, niskala are all solid prospects(with klein and hutch toward the higher end) that WOULD be available, but weber is the only d-man in that mold that we even have, and is hands down our number 3 prospect, behind only suter and radulov.

Ok, I didn't realize that Nashville was as depleted with prospects as we have been. I would have thought Weber would have been ranked amongst the top 10, but not in the top 5. Thats just shows how much I know about Nsh prospects. Any other suggestions?

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Upshall, as a gritty right wing with scoring touch(something the Preds have in spades) is probably one of our best trading chips. What we need is a center, and this deal was actually thrown around with some Toronto fans on our board a while back.

to NAS: Stajan(young center with second line potential, ideal to play behind Legwand)
to TOR: Upshall(Gritty second-third line Ryan Smyth type)
Andrew Hutchinson(explosive offensive d-man, behind only Kronwall(and only by a point in less games) for AHL defensive scoring title and with an impressive showing in limited NHL time)

Hutchinson hurts almost as bad as Upshall to deal. He's a guy that tends to be underrated simply because no one really knows who he is, but he's big(6'2, 205) has a laser-accurate cannon of a shot, young(24) and is pretty much NHL ready now. If Toronto wasn't interested in Hutch, something could probably be swung to make it Kevin Klein instead.
You forgot to mention Hutchinson's defense. He doesn't have NHL caliber defensive instincts. He reminds me a lot of John Slaney.

Even your team page(which hasn't been updated in a while) has him at a 5.0 prospect rating, and 18th on the list behind Suzler.


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01-18-2005, 03:34 PM
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You forgot to mention Hutchinson's defense. He doesn't have NHL caliber defensive instincts. He reminds me a lot of John Slaney.

Even your team page(which hasn't been updated in a while) has him at a 5.0 prospect rating, and 18th on the list behind Suzler.


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Hutchinson is closer to Mark Eaton than John Slaney...and Eaton went from being absolutely dreadful defensively to our best defensive d-man in one season's time simply by hitting the weight room hardcore. Hutch doesn't lack the instincts or positioning, he's simply a little weak in the upper body, though even if he didn't get better defensively it's not like he'd be the only great offensive d-man that was less than stellar defensively.

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As for the rankings...bear in mind that George did them in a "worst case scenario" as opposed to the "unbridled optimism" way that some pages were done..and like you said..it's been a while since they were updated. A lot of those will change when we get a new writer. Some will go lower...but some will go higher, Hutch's probably included.

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I like Upshall, but I can't see him being anymore than a 3rd line guy. Maybe a 2nd/3rd line guy at some point in his career... but mostly on the 3rd line.

just like stajan.

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As for the rankings...bear in mind that George did them in a "worst case scenario" as opposed to the "unbridled optimism" way that some pages were done..and like you said..it's been a while since they were updated. A lot of those will change when we get a new writer. Some will go lower...but some will go higher, Hutch's probably included.

i watched plenty of Hutch at MSU. He didn't impress me there, and his stint in the NHL didn't either. I just dont think he has what it takes.

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01-18-2005, 03:52 PM
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i watched plenty of Hutch at MSU. He didn't impress me there, and his stint in the NHL didn't either. I just dont think he has what it takes.

To be fair, his rookie season in the AHL\ECHL, which would have come after his time at MSU...was pretty bad. he's improved by leaps and bounds, and while I think he's going to be lost in the shuffle in Nashville, where there's a ton of offensive d-men with considerably more upside..he could make a good #5-6 for another team...with lots of power play time. He wasn't spectacular in his time in Nashville last year, but he didn't look out of place, either.

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Ok, I didn't realize that Nashville was as depleted with prospects as we have been. I would have thought Weber would have been ranked amongst the top 10, but not in the top 5. Thats just shows how much I know about Nsh prospects. Any other suggestions?
Nashville isn't depleted in prospects. His point was that while they have a ton of defensemen prospects, Weber's style is a rarity in the Preds system therefore he is not likely to be moved. And as an impartial fan in this discussion I'd have to agree. The big, mean, stay at home defensemen have proven their worth in the playoffs in the last decade, I don't think Nashville parts with their only notable prospect of that ilk.

Other suggestions? You'd probably have an easier time acquiring a guy like Kevin Klein who seems to be a bit redundant in the Nashville system. He's still a good prospect but I can't see how Nashville could play all those young defensemen at the same time so somebody probably has to go.

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just like stajan.
Stajan's upside is a bit higher than Upshall's. He proved his offensive capabilites last season as a 20 year old.

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01-18-2005, 10:19 PM
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Stajan's upside is a bit higher than Upshall's. He proved his offensive capabilites last season as a 20 year old.
Upshall actually has a lot more offensive potential than..pretty much anything else he has. His numbers reflect his one weakness...his inability to stay healthy. Upshall started last year scoring like it was going out of style and was rolling along this year as well...actually was one of the top contenders to make the team in Nashville among prospects. I think that..IF he can stay healthy(and it's that IF that necessitates throwing in a bonus like a defenseman in this deal) than Upshall should have no problems matching Stajan's output.

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I believe Upshall (especially after witnessing what he did at the WJC a few years back) that he will one day captain a team and mold himself into a Michael Peca type player. I realize that we (the Leafs) already have a similar player in Tucker, but he always seems to be involved in any and all trade rumours that come Toronto's way. I personally would like to have both. That's just my 2 cents.

A little late - but lol, Tucker a Mike Peca?????

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A little late - but lol, Tucker a Mike Peca?????

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Tell me how they are not similar players.

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Tell me how they are not similar players.

because Peca is a Selke winner\widely accepted as one of the best defensive forwards in the league..and Tucker is an agitator that can chip in a few goals. They're on completely different plateaus.

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Tell me how they are not similar players.
The fact that you are asking that question tells me that it's not worth the time.

Any hockey fan who can't tell the difference between Tucker & Peca needs to start paying much more attention.

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The fact that you are asking that question tells me that it's not worth the time.

Any hockey fan who can't tell the difference between Tucker & Peca needs to start paying much more attention.
I said they were similar, NOT identical. For sure I would rather have Peca, and I do believe he is the better player of the two. Man, if you can't see that(that they are similar) maybe you should watch some HOCKEY. And stop watching the crap your watching.

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I said they were similar, NOT identical. For sure I would rather have Peca, and I do believe he is the better player of the two. Man, if you can't see that(that they are similar) maybe you should watch some HOCKEY. And stop watching the crap your watching.
What if he's an adult movie critic?

I think you'd be wrong.

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What if he's an adult movie critic?

I think you'd be wrong.
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