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Dustin Brown vs Ryan Callahan

View Poll Results: Dustin Brown vs Ryan Callahan
Dustin Brown 85 55.92%
Ryan Callahan 43 28.29%
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08-04-2012, 10:45 AM
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Neither of these guys are kids.
There is no way in half a season it changes this much.

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08-04-2012, 11:03 AM
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Neither of these guys are kids.
There is no way in half a season it changes this much.
What have you done for me lately

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08-04-2012, 11:07 AM
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Neither of these guys are kids.
There is no way in half a season it changes this much.
East Coast Bias or ignorance. Most fans on the east coast had no idea how good Quick, Brown and Kopitar really are until the playoff run.

Also, playoff runs are were legends are made. Very few of the "elite" athletes are recognized for their regular season prowess, it is mostly based on their playoff success.

Just the way of sports: Playoffs > regular season and Championships > individual awards.

Both players are close in ability and play a similar role. Obviously NY fans will take Callahan and LA fans will take Brown.


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08-04-2012, 11:09 AM
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There is no way in half a season it changes this much.
Brown was having a down year at that point, and really turned it on after the trade deadline.

He just captained his team to a Stanley Cup victory.

lol...yeah

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08-04-2012, 02:49 PM
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Brown was having a down year at that point, and really turned it on after the trade deadline.

He just captained his team to a Stanley Cup victory.

lol...yeah
It's not how you start, it's how you finish. Season doesn't end in February. That being said, love Callahan. I didn't know that he and Brown both played at Guelph for a season together.

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08-04-2012, 02:54 PM
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Pointing out stats and then saying, "my ass" afterwards doesn't make that stat any less significant.
lol, I don't need to make +/- any less significant. That's like saying I need to make the sky blue. +/- is insignificant by nature of its existence.

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08-04-2012, 11:59 PM
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I was thinking of that thread and then I read all the ''I pick Brown'' comments. A good playoff really helps aye

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08-05-2012, 12:02 AM
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East Coast Bias or ignorance. Most fans on the east coast had no idea how good Quick, Brown and Kopitar really are until the playoff run.

Also, playoff runs are were legends are made. Very few of the "elite" athletes are recognized for their regular season prowess, it is mostly based on their playoff success.

Just the way of sports: Playoffs > regular season and Championships > individual awards.

Both players are close in ability and play a similar role. Obviously NY fans will take Callahan and LA fans will take Brown.

Yeah because it's only ppl who are Rangers fan that got to vote..


Lol, yeah nobody knew that Brown, Kopitar and Quick are real good players. Especially us ppl who watch an eastern team.

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08-05-2012, 01:22 AM
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Making this poll, i thought it would be closer. Should be imo.

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08-05-2012, 02:01 AM
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If you are looking solely at points.... then its even... maybe I'd even but Callahan ahead.

If you are looking at "the complete package" its Brown by a decent margin.

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08-05-2012, 04:04 AM
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This is a tough one, honestly, I'd have to say it is even. Callahan is one of the only Rangers I actually like/respect which takes A LOT.

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If you are looking solely at points.... then its even... maybe I'd even but Callahan ahead.

If you are looking at "the complete package" its Brown by a decent margin.
What? That's where Callahan is better. He's the better hitter, and far better defensively

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What? That's where Callahan is better. He's the better hitter, and far better defensively
1.)Dustin Brown is consistant in the top 5 in hits for the last 5 years. And His hits while clean, hurt...



2.)far better defensively? Simply not true.

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What? That's where Callahan is better. He's the better hitter, and far better defensively
considering most people would put Brown as the #1 or #2 hitter in the league along with Clutterbuck, i think you are wrong. He has outhit Callahan every year, and hits harder

Too say Callahan is far better defensively is just pure ignorance as you clearly don't watch Brown play. I havn't seen Callahan enough to know much about his defence, I just know its good, but considering Brown is also very good defensively, there is no way 1 or the other can be far better

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What? That's where Callahan is better. He's the better hitter, and far better defensively
Defensively, I can agree with. Dustin has gotten more defensively responsible over the years, but he' not our go to stopper, although he's a good penalty killer. But hitting? I'd like to know how the two of them at the very least are not even at that aspect of the game. Brown is known for his hitting as much as Callahan is. Are you talking game changing hits (even that's debatable)? I know you're not talking about statistically, because even then Brown would have a slight advantage over the years.

Offensively, Brown is better than Callahan. Choosing this year to make a poll comparing the two players certainly benefits Callahan because it's his career high year, offensively. Even then, Brown has averaged over 26 goals over the last 5 years and has never in that time had an assist total equal to or less than Callahan's career high. Callahan's trajectory could still be rising, but time will tell if he can match Brown's track record in scoring.

Anyway, most outsiders should probably call it an even comparison when comparing ages and total skill and compete level. Dustin is better offensively, Callahan defensively. Callahan makes a decent amount more money than Brown does (thanks Lombardi!). In the end, I have to go with our Captain because he delivered LA the Cup and the fact that he performed at a Conn Smythe worthy level. Had the Kings been eliminated earlier, I very well could have chosen Callahan. Yes, what have you done for me lately matters. That's why polls for any subject are constantly run, because things change and can change quickly.

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What? That's where Callahan is better. He's the better hitter, and far better defensively
Lol Callahan hits a lot but they aren't punishing hits. Dustin Brown is a punishing hitter.

I'd take Brown as a Rangers fan. I think Callahan is a tad overrated.

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I think it's fair to say that Callahan is significantly better defensively, Callahan is a great shot blocker, top penalty killer, and each of the last 2 seasons has received the most Selke votes among non-centers.

Career Selke Voting
Dustin Brown
2010-11, 51st, 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

Ryan Callahan
2008-09, 64th, 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
2010-11, 10th, 51 (0-1-5-5-4), 1st among wingers
2011-12, 4th, 326 (6-11-22-22-13), 1st among wingers

Penalty Kill
Dustin Brown - 5th among LA forwards in SHTOI/G
Ryan Callahan - 2nd among NY forwards in SHTOI/G

Shot blocks
Dustin Brown - 32
Ryan Callahan - 88

I think offensively they are even, Callahan has an edge defensively and Brown is much more physical (hits more and hits a lot harder). Overall I think they are even.

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I'll put it like this. Brown's production on offense is falling, while Callahan is just reaching his peak, and would have outscored him the past 2 years if not for injury.
Defensively I'll take the guy that has been the best winger for the past 2 years, and will continue to be so.

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I think it's fair to say that Callahan is significantly better defensively, Callahan is a great shot blocker, top penalty killer, and each of the last 2 seasons has received the most Selke votes among non-centers.

Career Selke Voting
Dustin Brown
2010-11, 51st, 2 (0-0-0-0-2)

Ryan Callahan
2008-09, 64th, 1 (0-0-0-0-1)
2010-11, 10th, 51 (0-1-5-5-4), 1st among wingers
2011-12, 4th, 326 (6-11-22-22-13), 1st among wingers

Penalty Kill
Dustin Brown - 5th among LA forwards in SHTOI/G
Ryan Callahan - 2nd among NY forwards in SHTOI/G

Shot blocks
Dustin Brown - 32
Ryan Callahan - 88

I think offensively they are even, Callahan has an edge defensively and Brown is much more physical (hits more and hits a lot harder). Overall I think they are even.
Those are very subjective stats to use, considering Selke voting has massive bias (The fact the Kopitar has never been top 5 shows that Brown will never get close to top 10). Callahan may be good, but no winger is the 4th best defensive forward in the game which Selke voting suggests, if he was that good, he should be playing centre to be honest since it seems his talents are being wasted. Richards can play wing so, Richards taking faceoffs then swapping with Callahan once play starts seems like it would work if Callahan is that good considering Richards isn't too great


PK toi/team is skewed since Callahan would get the same sh toi as Brown if he played on the Kings

Shot blocks again skewed because NYR gameplan involves everyone blocking shots infront of Lundqvist, whereas the Kings prefer to let Quick see everything

Rangers #3 in blocked shots, Kings #26

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I'll put it like this. Brown's production on offense is falling
yep, i mean Brown only had 20 points in 20 games in the playoffs. Good job, good effort

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