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08-07-2012, 11:52 PM
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I thought of Cam Ward as a possible comparable for Quick. Bill Ranford might be another.

I'm really surprised Price got drafted and I'll leave it at that.

Judgements for goalies are obviously varying widely at this level. At this point, we'll probably get a backup I like quite a bit better than some of the starters here. But that doesn't mean others will

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With Gibbs, Seabrook, Stewart, Coutu, and Halderson selected, and with me reassigning a defenseman to a forward list (oops), there are now just six D-men left on that little list of mine.

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08-07-2012, 11:57 PM
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With Gibbs, Seabrook, Stewart, Coutu, and Halderson selected, and with me reassigning a defenseman to a forward list (oops), there are now just six D-men left on that little list of mine.
Well... I agree about Halderson and Seabrook

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But it's not necessarily even the selection of Price that is bad to me, it's pairing him with Quick. Neither has any sort of long term track record.
Good point. A short career guy with flashes of brilliance ought ideally be paired with a stable workhorse who can at least be reliable and provide some veteran experience.

The team could carry a third goalie. We are having a 25-man squad, so there's that option.

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08-08-2012, 12:04 AM
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Well... I agree about Halderson and Seabrook
A decade on the top pairing of the Montreal Canadiens and a couple of Stanley Cups as an impact physical force isn't enough for your third pairing at the MLD level in Billy Coutu? So many historical sources mention him in terms of toughness, hits, rough play. He really was in the thick of things.

Coutu, Halderson and Langlois were losses from my shortlist.

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The perception with Ward seems to be that he is better than his numbers.
I was just looking at Ward's numbers and a peak at 7th in all-star voting seems to be about right to me. I don't think he's a significantly better selection than Quick (if at all).

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08-08-2012, 12:09 AM
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08-08-2012, 12:11 AM
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... Judgements for goalies are obviously varying widely at this level. ...
I agree with you, but would include all players. Dreak and I both know an ATD Champ who thought the best player in this draft went in the 12th round.

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08-08-2012, 12:17 AM
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Oilers did okay with Grant Fuhr and Andy Moog.

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A decade on the top pairing of the Montreal Canadiens and a couple of Stanley Cups as an impact physical force isn't enough for your third pairing at the MLD level in Billy Coutu? So many historical sources mention him in terms of toughness, hits, rough play. He really was in the thick of things.

Coutu, Halderson and Langlois were losses from my shortlist.
Coutu could have very well been a good pick. He's definitely a top notch physical presence. But his offense is mediocre and nobody has ever really shown much about his defensive ability either way. So I have big problems figuring out how good he was. He's not a bad pick at all; I just don't know enough to know if he was good

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08-08-2012, 10:23 AM
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This is so much more interesting than the ATD. There's only been 1 Superbad (starring Jonah Hill, Michael Cera, and Christopher Mintz-Plasse) pick, a 5:1 trade went through, 1 team has 2 Dmen while another has all their skaters except 1 4th liner, many of the goaltending matchups will be pre Gordie Howe guys vs 21st Century guys, there's 2 new GMs who are strong with the force (Selfish Man is not new), and many GMs who usually win their 1st round matchups in the ATD will face each other in the first round. I've read every post and will continue to do so, especially the playoff threads. I can't wait for the playoffs!

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08-08-2012, 10:31 AM
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With selection #253, the Pittsburgh Hornets select:

Ilkka Sinisalo, LW


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With selection #254, the Pittsburgh Hornets select:

Loui Eriksson, LW


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I really like the Loui Eriksson pick, was gonna put him on my fourth line, figured he'd get over-looked actually.

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Eriksson is a great pick. One of a very few 2012'ers left who I would take without hesitation.

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08-08-2012, 11:49 AM
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With our first selection, Winnipeg selects jack of all trades, master of none, D Larry Hillman



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08-08-2012, 11:59 AM
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Winnipeg will also select D Jim McKenny



TOI during 8 year peak:

Overall: 1, 3, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3
ES: 2, 4, 2, 1, 3, 2, 3

McKenny appears to have played RW during the 75-76 season, which is why there are only 7 finishes there.

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08-08-2012, 12:07 PM
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Slow day at work so I'll make my picks:

Dave Semenko, LW and Marc Crawford, Coach

Next has been pmed.

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Hillman was on our short list by the way

Seriously Billy, why'd you have to get involved?

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08-08-2012, 12:27 PM
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Slow day at work so I'll make my picks: Dave Semenko, LW and Marc Crawford, Coach Next has been pmed.
I think your pick 1057 of Semenko is fine. In 2011 he went at 801 before guys like Lundqvist, Kolzig, and Giguere, and I thought it was too early.

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08-08-2012, 12:55 PM
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For our first pick, we'll select two way forward:

Charlie Sands, C/RW



3rd in voting for All Star RW in 1938
Stanley Cup in 1939

Points - 19th (1940)
Goals – 8th(1937), 10th(1938), 20th(1935)
Assists – 8th(1940)

Point percentages – 67, 58, 57, 51, 50
Goal Percentages – 78, 74, 60
Assist Percentages – 71, 50

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A solid two-way player, Sands spent four seasons in Montreal, one of a handful of players who remained as Dick Irvin retooled the team from the ground up in the early years of his reign behind the bench.


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08-08-2012, 01:09 PM
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For our first pick, we'll select two way forward:

Charlie Sands, C/RW



3rd in voting for All Star RW in 1938
Stanley Cup in 1939

Points - 19th (1940)
Goals – 8th(1937), 10th(1938), 20th(1935)
Assists – 8th(1940)

Point percentages – 67, 58, 57, 51, 50
Goal Percentages – 78, 74, 60
Assist Percentages – 71, 50


I thought by you and Dreak talking again, you'd reconsider picking Sands.

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08-08-2012, 01:39 PM
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Lots of stuff to go back and reply to:

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With our 13th pick, 197th overall, the Winston-Salem Polar Twins select:

Jim Riley, LW



A scoring star in the PCHA, Riley will figure into the Twins' top-9 and power play units.

PCHA First All Star 1923
PCHA Second All Star 1920, 1921, 1922
PCHA Championship 1917, 1920

- A large man by 1920s standards.
- 2nd in goals - 1921 and 1922
- His goal scoring during his prime early-20s seasons compares closely to that of Frank Foyston and other contemporary stars.
- Great all-round athlete who played major league baseball during the summer, and continued to play that sport after his hockey retirement.
- Lost some career longevity due to military service and multi-sport commitments.
I’ll say it because no one else has, and because you can take it – I think Riley is really overrated and should have fallen instead of rising.

Riley really gets a lot of mileage out of those two times where he was 2nd in PCHA goal scoring – more than he should.

He was not a very good playmaker at all (easily the worst among “star” PCHA forwards of the time) and was just 5th in points those two times.

In 1921, the NHL was the predominant league, and a 5th in the PCHA probably represents a 10th-11th overall. Factor in the “Big 4 league” which was about to become the WCHL and this 5th place PCHA points finish is worth about a 12th-14th overall. Still, with 88% of the point total of the league leader, this is by far Riley’s best and most impressive season.

In 1923, same story. 5th in the PCHA, which is worth a 14th-16th place overall finish, and his point total was actually just under half of the league leader. (Not all 5th place finishes are created equally, clearly! One was 88% of the leader, the other was 49%)

PCHA points stats, despite containing assists that were legitimately recorded (not reconstructed), will overrate goal scorers disproportionately. If you adjust even to a 1:1 G:A ratio, his best percentage scores would be 69, 53, 53, 44.

As I mentioned last year, Riley's linemates outscored him by absolutely obscene amounts. 54-48-16, 32-23-6, 29-16, 30-28 (this was a much better showing, obviously), 24-23-18, and then a year where they were all closer to even (28-27-26). Offense relative to linemates is a pretty important consideration when it comes to looking at who was really a catalyst.

I’m just not a fan of this offensive resume right now, and there hasn’t been compelling evidence provided to date that says he provides more than just a trigger.

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Sherbrooke selects Orest Kindrachuk, C/LW

Me and Dwight have drafted him every MLD, a great leader and defensive forward. He will centre the third line, and be the captain of the Castors.

Someone please notify Dreak and TDMM.
Maybe this was answered last year and I forgot, but, do we have evidence he played LW? I have him just as a center.

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Connecticut selects G Billy Nicholson

It should surprise no one to hear that I had him as the #1 goalie left.

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Also, Koivu's had a stark difference in his results due to coaching, which isn't necessarily a comment on him but a good example of context behind numbers thatt advanced stats can demonstrate. I will post the blurb about him from this year's Hockey Prospectus when I get home.
BTW, I haven’t forgotten about this. I’ll post when I get a chance.

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Doug Crossman D

fcking mld 2011 list doesnt work , have to work on top of my head
Crossman wasn’t on that “damn shame” list but he was the next guy after it. Looking back, maybe I should have had him a few more spots down. I’m surprised at how low his minutes were (21.86 average) – I would have imagined they were at least a full minute above that. But he was an all-situation player for pretty good teams, and has his redeeming qualities. A good pick here.

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A fantastic 2nd line to be completed and very good third line at left wing too. Don't go Hobnobs.



Here's my two-bit suggestion to whomever GMs the Monarchs from here on out:

One could re-arrange the lines to have a great top-6 line, add another top-6 line through the draft, finish the very good third line, use Christian's strengths from the fourth line, bench Nedved except for when he feels like playing well, add two more top-4 defenseman and whammo, a great team imo!

Nick Mickoski - Billy Reay - Blaine Stoughton
____________ - _____________ - _____________
__________ - Pete Stemkowski - Wally Hergesheimer
_________ - _________ - Dave Christian
Petr Nedved

Amby Moran - Joe Cooper
__________ - _________
__________ - Robert Picard
Oleg Tverdovsky
I agree, although I must begrudgingly point out that Nedved is clearly talented enough for a 2nd line spot in this league dynamic, and Hergesheimer is a clear top-6 type of player. Get them a glue guy at LW.

Christian is strong defensively and would make a nice complement to Stemmer on the left side. The defense you have right on, based on who he’s got, and who he could reasonably expect to pick from here on. Picard is a 3rd pairing specialist, Tverdovsky a spare.

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Montreal Orfuns adopt RW - Billy Harris, NY Islanders, La Kings, Toronto Maple Leafs:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...harribi02.html
I missed that he was taken. This was a very good pick. I ran out of room but he would have been tops on my list for a complementary scoring line player in the AAA draft.

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