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08-10-2012, 03:19 PM
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He definitely appears to have been more offensive than defensive. But he was a capable two-way minute muncher for a long time. I have always liked him and see him as just a notch below a guy like Bruce Driver.

Estimates have him at 22.4 minutes a game for 1000 games.
Solid overall defenseman who was lost in the shuffle behind Doug Wilson and some of the other high profile Hawk players.

Better passer, more consistent than Bruce Driver.

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08-10-2012, 04:47 PM
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I’ll start my set of four picks with Emile Francis, Coach.

Francis is in the HHOF as a builder and has an excellent regular season record. Not a great playoff win%, but a ton of playoff games from consistently coaching a strong NYR team to the playoffs and beyond. One-time Stanley cup finalist who mostly pre-dates the Jack Adams award. Likes a physical team. With a few notable exceptions at forward, my team fits that bill.

TDMM posted a very good bio last year (his bio and mine for Bun Cook demonstrate that there’s not a lot you can find on MLD-level coaches) and I hope to add to it, as there are a few books I can think of that should have some nice tidbits, particularly the 500-page monolith specifically about the Rangers/Bruins rivalry of the 60s and 70s.

Francis started coaching in the NHL in the 1965-66 season, so he should count for 1943-1965… right?

Next, I’ll grab a nice two-way forward to anchor the 4th line: Art Jackson, C. Jackson wasn’t a big or physical player so he is not a prototypical 4th liner. However, he was described as a “checker” by Legends Of Hockey because he spent what could have been his best years stuck behind Bill Cowley and Milt Schmidt as a 3rd line center. Despite the obvious impact on his ice time and offensive totals this caused, he managed seasons of 22nd and 28th in scoring, pacing his linemates every year from 1940-1942.

When the Kraut Line left for the 1943 season, it became clear what Jackson had always been capable of as a 2nd line center. He posted 53 points, well behind Cowley but ahead of everyone else, and finished 13th in the league in points. He led the cup finalist Bruins in goals and points in the playoffs. In 1944 and 1945 the league was obviously weaker but he had a noteworthy 69 points in the first of those two seasons, good for 9th in the NHL.

As you know, I downgrade achievements from the WW2 seasons in an attempt to appropriately reflect how they may have placed if all the best offensive stars were present. Jackson would score a 90 & 48 in the WW2 years if unadjusted, but I personally credit him with scores of 70 & 39 for those years, meaning his 1945 season is only his 8th-best, despite it being his 3rd-best point total and 4th highest ranking in the scoring list (just to show you that I am not “taking advantage” of any WW2 exploits unfairly). This makes his six best percentage scores 74, 73, 70, 58, 57, and 50. Even after downgrades to his WW2 achievements, Jackson appears to have the strongest offensive resume of any available pre-expansion NHLer, while also having credibility as a checker. I think it’s even more impressive that two of his four most impressive seasons were achieved while buried as a 3rd liner on a very strong team. He was, for a while, one of those cases of “he would be a 1st/2nd liner on most other teams” (think Ralph Backstrom or Jordan Staal) and then in 1943 he proved it.

For a backup I’ll take Vladimir Myshkin, G, who had a long career (19 seasons between his first USSR division 1 appearance and his last game for the national team in 1991) and is decently decorated domestically and internationally, the highlight being named to the all-star team at the 1984 Canada Cup with a stellar 1.43 GAA. He was also named the to Soviet all-star team in 1984 and earned 4th in MVP voting; another time in the late 70s he was 6th; unfortunately we do not have MVP results past 5th (or 2nd team all-stars) available for the majority of his Soviet career.

I’ll also unsurprisingly grab another spare who can play D and both wings – Walter Smaill. TDMM and I have traded coaches and thus continues the Smaill carousel we’ve had going recently. Bio will be posted later. The Trail Of the Stanley Cup gives one the impression that Smaill was not a star, yet, he was a player you win with.

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08-10-2012, 04:48 PM
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BB is skipped again, so it' s back to Hedberg.

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To meet era requirements, the guys just have to be on my roster, not in my starting lineup right?

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08-10-2012, 05:12 PM
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To meet era requirements, the guys just have to be on my roster, not in my starting lineup right?
Correct.

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Francis started coaching in the NHL in the 1965-66 season, so he should count for 1943-1965 right?
I didn't think coaches counted..... but if they do, that's the era he'd fit under.

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jarek is in the house!

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08-10-2012, 05:56 PM
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Francis is a solid pick.

I never got the big deal about Smaill. That was a jarek pick when we were partners

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08-10-2012, 05:59 PM
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I didn't think coaches counted..... but if they do, that's the era he'd fit under.
Anyone on the 25-man roster, so that includes a coach or assistant coach.

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08-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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Francis is a solid pick.

I never got the big deal about Smaill. That was a jarek pick when we were partners
well, for one thing he was the highest scoring blueliner in the ECHA twice - I think tied with Cyclone Taylor and/or Frank Patrick both times.

maybe that's why jarek is here, he was watching to see when his boy Smaill got taken

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08-10-2012, 06:03 PM
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Connecticut selects

G Tomas Vokoun, King of the generic mask



D Eric Brewer



It turns out if you google image search Eric Brewer, you get crossdressing pictures of a former East Cleveland mayor of the same name

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G Tomas Vokoun, King of the generic mask

Great pick. I think he's a significantly better regular season goalie than some of the starters here, but his playoff record is poor.

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D Eric Brewer



It turns out if you google image search Eric Brewer, you get crossdressing pictures of a former East Cleveland mayor of the same name

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08-10-2012, 06:07 PM
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Great pick. I think he's a significantly better regular season goalie than some of the starters here, but his playoff record is poor.
I thought you weren't a fan because he had deceptively high save percentages.

Brewer was on the Damn Shame list. Down to just two names.

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08-10-2012, 06:11 PM
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I thought you weren't a fan because he had deceptively high save percentages.
At least he's consistently deceptive (even at the World Championships)

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I thought you weren't a fan because he had deceptively high save percentages.

Brewer was on the Damn Shame list. Down to just two names.
His save percentages were definitely inflated by Nashville's generous scorer, yes.

I think his Vezina and All Star records are a better reflection of how good he was

V 4, 8, 9*, 10*
*one vote
AS 5, 8, 10

In my notes I had Vokoun as a low-end starter here and wrote "I like Turco better.".

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08-10-2012, 06:54 PM
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One vote for an award is equivalent to one glowing report from the newspaper of the opponent's hometown or one great quote from the memoirs of a respected hockey player, coach or GM. And that's being generous, because the vote could have been a homer pick by someone who knew the guy personally, came from his hometown, etcetera.

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One vote for an award is equivalent to one glowing report from the newspaper of the opponent's hometown or one great quote from the memoirs of a respected hockey player, coach or GM. And that's being generous, because the vote could have been a homer pick by someone who knew the guy personally, came from his hometown, etcetera.
That's why he highlighted it as a single vote finish...

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One vote for an award is equivalent to one glowing report from the newspaper of the opponent's hometown or one great quote from the memoirs of a respected hockey player, coach or GM. And that's being generous, because the vote could have been a homer pick by someone who knew the guy personally, came from his hometown, etcetera.
It's the Vezina. The only reason I even include the times he got one vote is because those are GMs, not writers, voting on it. I'm not sure how I feel about the opinion of a single GM, so I kept the "finishes" but indicated it was just one vote

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08-10-2012, 07:55 PM
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Pittsburgh will take RW Paul Holmgren and D Stewart Evans

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Yaroslavl selects defensemen Igor Romishevsky and Joe Reekie.

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Robert Lang and Modere Bruneteau

Montreal Orfuns adopt C/RW Robert Lang - RHS:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/langro01.html

and RW Modere "Mud" Bruneteau:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...brunemu01.html

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Pittsburgh will take RW Paul Holmgren and D Stewart Evans
Two guys we wanted, nice picks.

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Montreal Orfuns adopt C/RW Robert Lang - RHS:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/l/langro01.html

and LW/D Georges Mantha:

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...manthge01.html

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Georges Mantha was an added player after the All Time Draft had ended, please select again.

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08-10-2012, 08:45 PM
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Done

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Georges Mantha was an added player after the All Time Draft had ended, please select again.
Montreal Orfuns re-pick RW Modere "Mud" Bruneteau.

http://www.hockey-reference.com/play...brunemu01.html

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It's the Vezina. The only reason I even include the times he got one vote is because those are GMs, not writers, voting on it. I'm not sure how I feel about the opinion of a single GM, so I kept the "finishes" but indicated it was just one vote
Was going to post this as well when I read the minor protest to the single vote. GMs vote > media vote. Not to mention how much more limited a GMs vote for a goaltender is: 30 GMs x 1st, 2nd and 3rd places votes on 30 players. Versus some other awards with more than 100 media members, 1st through 5th place votes and over 600 players to choose from.

I wish there were more GM voted / coach voted awards. Then again, the players' voted MVP doesn't seem indicative of anything insightful or really anything in particular at all... /tangent.

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