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01-10-2013, 07:03 PM
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I haven't bought hockey cards since I was a kid in the early 90s. I'm thinking about buying a box, what are the best cards these days? Where would be a good place to start? I see that an unopened box of 'Upper Deck SP Authentic' cards go for around $100-$150 on eBay.
I would strongly suggest not buying boxes off ebay unless you know the seller is 100% reputable. Too many thiefs that pack search and reseal packs and boxes on there even if they have a perfect ebay rating. SP Authentic is fun, but it can be risky as there are 3 hard-signed autos on average per box. You can get sweet hits, but there is also the risk of being left with about $20 in autos at the end. Anything from last year is decent because of the good mix of rookies, but if you want something from 2012-13, wait until the NHL starts back up and guys like Yakupov are included. There are so many products available that depending on what you like, there is likely a product tailored to it (autos, rookies, memorabilia, hall of fame players, etc). Personally I loved opening 11-12 Panini Contenders but Panini doesn't hold their values quite as well. However, I did pull a booklet with 4 autos.


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This is a popular place as well I believe.

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I haven't bought hockey cards since I was a kid in the early 90s. I'm thinking about buying a box, what are the best cards these days? Where would be a good place to start? I see that an unopened box of 'Upper Deck SP Authentic' cards go for around $100-$150 on eBay.
For you I'd go with 11/12 SPx box...on eBay they are like 90 a box and fairly safe buys. SP Authentic is a very hit or miss product.

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For you I'd go with 11/12 SPx box...on eBay they are like 90 a box and fairly safe buys. SP Authentic is a very hit or miss product.
I'd argue SPX isn't much better, I'd prefer hard signed auto's too stickers aswell. I'd go with a box of Series 1, it's a weak rookie crop this year, but the boxes are relatively cheap and the young guns are very collectible.

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If Upper Deck Series 2 includes the top rookies like Yakupov and many more, I would wait until then as Series 2 has usually been short printed over the past few seasons,thus boosting the value of the cards. That's the main reason why Seguin's YG sells so high (and being an elite forward of course).

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01-10-2013, 10:42 PM
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Any advice re: a good product for set-builders?

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anyone in canada know of a good site to buy cards on? I Like buying packs, boxes not individual cards...

i want to avoid the states as i dont feel like paying duties and shipping.
quecanwholesale.com and mirajtrading.com are probably the two best canadian sites for prices on boxes.

A seller on ebay called north-of-7 has really good prices too. He mails right away through UPS, so if you live in the GTA, you'll get the package within 2 days.

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Personally, I enjoy UD Series 1 and 2 the most, but I have also done O-Pee-Chee (OPC), and even Score is a good one. Score and OPC are a little cheaper and are fun to collect as well. If you're just getting back into the hobby and have a limited budget, I would start with one of these two. If I had to pick Score versus OPC, I think OPC is more interested with the retro parallel versions and some of the other possible hits in the packs. I think both of those sets are around 500 cards. UD 1 & 2 have been 250 cards each prior to this year making a 500 count set (not sure about 2012-13).

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Personally, I enjoy UD Series 1 and 2 the most, but I have also done O-Pee-Chee (OPC), and even Score is a good one. Score and OPC are a little cheaper and are fun to collect as well. If you're just getting back into the hobby and have a limited budget, I would start with one of these two. If I had to pick Score versus OPC, I think OPC is more interested with the retro parallel versions and some of the other possible hits in the packs. I think both of those sets are around 500 cards. UD 1 & 2 have been 250 cards each prior to this year making a 500 count set (not sure about 2012-13).
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01-12-2013, 02:26 PM
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We are three or possibly four swedish collectors in a SIX team collectors H2H league at ESPN. We do not care about PIM:s and have +/- only as a marginal influence on the scoring. Becouse of those statistics not very telling story obviously. We do however give homage to blocked shots, faceoffs and hits. Only offensive stats are goals(3p) and assists(2p)

Highly welcome since people at our swedish forum seems too occupied with their collection. We do however ask for you to take the ranking before the automated draft seriously and then set your team once a week.

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This year's OPC is tough as with all years of it recently as not only is the product very popular so that boxes dry up, you also have to buy Upper Deck S2 to get the OPC update set, which is where all of the best RCs are. Since this year's OPC came out months ago, you may have a tough time finding boxes (few boxes around or too high in price).

I recommend MVP from two or three years ago. Boxes are cheap, you get the whole rookie class and you get some nice hits...way nicer than the box price suggests. Plus the cards are nice.

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I'd argue SPX isn't much better, I'd prefer hard signed auto's too stickers aswell. I'd go with a box of Series 1, it's a weak rookie crop this year, but the boxes are relatively cheap and the young guns are very collectible.
This year's UD S1 is the worst since...maybe ever. An Young Guns, only top rookies like RNH command a large premium, of which this year has none.

If you're a serious collector who is well versed, SPA and SPx are somewhat similar as they are both mid-tier products. But trust me, as a guy who has opened 30+ cases of SP Authentic since 2006, it is very easy to get rocked. Half the SPA boxes have three junk autos.

SPx has tons of memorabilia and a lot of decent hits with the possibility of higher end stuff...for 20% less of the price of SP Authentic. It's a very accessible product for a newer collector. The recommendation was given to the poster who asked, not you.

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I liked this years Black Diamond, some nice autos in there!

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First set I tried to get was OPC 1979. 25 cents for 14 cards and a gum. 396 cards in a set. No gimmick. OPC in Canada, and similar Topps Cards in the US, if I'm right.

It all died somewhere in the late 80's. Too many sets, too many gimmicks. When people found out the Gretzky rookie card was worth in the thousands, they started making rookie cards of teenagers that might one day make it to the NHL, subsets, cards with a piece of a jersey, and stupid stuff like that.

I feel old. But I wouldn't trade a 1979 Orest Kindrachuk card for any rookie card from the 90's, no matter what Beckett is saying.

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Any advice re: a good product for set-builders?
I don't buy boxes or packs or whatever to build sets. Only set I build is UD1/2 and I just buy the base set for that from eBay usually, much cheaper that way.

Other than that I stick with getting cards for notable retired players and a few high end product base cards like Dominion/Prime/The Cup for $1-2 plus the occasional pack.

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First set I tried to get was OPC 1979. 25 cents for 14 cards and a gum. 396 cards in a set. No gimmick. OPC in Canada, and similar Topps Cards in the US, if I'm right.

It all died somewhere in the late 80's. Too many sets, too many gimmicks. When people found out the Gretzky rookie card was worth in the thousands, they started making rookie cards of teenagers that might one day make it to the NHL, subsets, cards with a piece of a jersey, and stupid stuff like that.

I feel old. But I wouldn't trade a 1979 Orest Kindrachuk card for any rookie card from the 90's, no matter what Beckett is saying.

Yup OPC usually had the 396 sets and Topps in the USA had 198/264 and a darker back of the card. Some weirdness between the two, like in 81-82 when Topps tried a regional style, with the first 66 being nationwide (and double printed) with the remained being east and west.

I was a hockey card junkie in my early teens before I discovered beer and girls. I always went for the older ones, and still have a lot of them, going right back to 1910 tobacco cards.

I still collect pre 1980 (have all the sets from 80-89 already) regardless of condition. I just like having them around. I dont' know what they are worth and really don't care, I just find it incredible how something that old has survived, being passed though generation to generation.

My wife's work has access to the newer cards and I can get whatever I want on the (relative) cheap, but I have no interest in them. Ive tried, but the lack of ability to build a set, all the different companies and series and bla bla bla, plus the emphasis on "grading" is just stupid. Not to mention the cost, Im not dropping a hundred bucks on a box of something that was just made.

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i remember when the card "boom' of 1990-92 happened, I grew up in a town of about 20,000, within a year there was 5 card shops. It was crazy.

The 1990-91 Score with the eric lindros "Future Superstar" made me a nice bit of money. Kids in my public school would buy wax packs for 60 cents or something, so I made it be known that I would pay $2 for the Lindros card. Naturally they flew my way, and I would go to the card shows on the weekend and sell them to the dealers for $10 each. They booked in Beckett for $30 at the time and dealers sold them like hotcakes for $25-35.

You can still buy those Score wax packs from 1990 today, in 2013, for probably a dime. I would love to know how many billions of them they printed.

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Yup OPC usually had the 396 sets and Topps in the USA had 198/264 and a darker back of the card. Some weirdness between the two, like in 81-82 when Topps tried a regional style, with the first 66 being nationwide (and double printed) with the remained being east and west.

I was a hockey card junkie in my early teens before I discovered beer and girls. I always went for the older ones, and still have a lot of them, going right back to 1910 tobacco cards.

I still collect pre 1980 (have all the sets from 80-89 already) regardless of condition. I just like having them around. I dont' know what they are worth and really don't care, I just find it incredible how something that old has survived, being passed though generation to generation.

My wife's work has access to the newer cards and I can get whatever I want on the (relative) cheap, but I have no interest in them. Ive tried, but the lack of ability to build a set, all the different companies and series and bla bla bla, plus the emphasis on "grading" is just stupid. Not to mention the cost, Im not dropping a hundred bucks on a box of something that was just made.
It may just be nostalgia, but what was special about this time is that there was no YouTube, no hockey forums and very few televised games; hockey cards kinda filled that gap. Hey, where could you get scoring stats history then?

In a 14 card pack, you would get a couple of players you never heard about (fat guys with beards or moustache), and if you were lucky, a star like Gretzky, Lafleur or Dionne.

I had a soft spot for goalies (even though very few of them had decent pictures - Mike Liut was a stud for great cards), and of course, for Habs players. Team cards were great too, but I think they have disappeared after 79.

Younger folks that started collecting in the 90's might feel the same about their era, but I guess hockey cards company were less aware about marketing and value in my time.

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Personally, I collect both older (pre-1980) and current cards. My oldest is a 1957-58 Topps John Bucyk rookie, with a book value of $250. It's not exactly in "perfect" condition, but it isn't bad. The tips on 2 of the corners are a bit bent, but it was worth the $46 I paid for it on eBay.

My other favorite card is a 1978-79 OPC Mike Bossy rookie, with a book value of $100. This one is in amazing condition.. I scouted the auction on eBay for about 3 days, and then made my bid in the last 10 minutes. Got it for $20.50!

New Years Eve I won a 2011-12 Ultimate Signatures Bobby Ryan for $1.25
And a few minutes ago I won a 2011-12 Panini Prime Namesakes "I" #/75 of Nazem Kadri!! I paid $22 for that one..

Some say the new stuff is garbage and just a bunch of gimmicks.. It is, but I do enjoy it. I find it cool to have a piece of a worn jersey or an autograph of a player that i'll most likely never get the chance to meet.

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This years Artifacts I've had luck with.

Pulled a beauty /9 Stastny tricolour patch, and an Emerald dual color /75 Iginla patch and some other nice pulls.

Rookies suck though, but the quality of inserts made up for it imo

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This years Artifacts I've had luck with.

Pulled a beauty /9 Stastny tricolour patch, and an Emerald dual color /75 Iginla patch and some other nice pulls.

Rookies suck though, but the quality of inserts made up for it imo
Agreed. Usually I buy a box of UD Series 1 at Wal-Mart.. nothing crazy, only $20-30.. but since the rookie class was so weak due to the lockout, I had no real interest in them. Perhaps if Yak, Hubs, Galy, and others are included in Series 2 i'll buy at least one. Basically the same stuff as the hobby boxes, just less cards and harder to find hits. Last year I managed to pull a RNH young gun in my first pack though!

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This years Artifacts I've had luck with.

Pulled a beauty /9 Stastny tricolour patch, and an Emerald dual color /75 Iginla patch and some other nice pulls.

Rookies suck though, but the quality of inserts made up for it imo
When Artifacts is brand new, it can be a decent buy. After a couple of months, because this product isn't ordered heavily, the few remaining boxes go up a lot. Then it becomes a horrible buy.

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Agreed. Usually I buy a box of UD Series 1 at Wal-Mart.. nothing crazy, only $20-30.. but since the rookie class was so weak due to the lockout, I had no real interest in them. Perhaps if Yak, Hubs, Galy, and others are included in Series 2 i'll buy at least one. Basically the same stuff as the hobby boxes, just less cards and harder to find hits. Last year I managed to pull a RNH young gun in my first pack though!
They'll be in S2 I'm sure.

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i remember when the card "boom' of 1990-92 happened, I grew up in a town of about 20,000, within a year there was 5 card shops. It was crazy.

The 1990-91 Score with the eric lindros "Future Superstar" made me a nice bit of money. Kids in my public school would buy wax packs for 60 cents or something, so I made it be known that I would pay $2 for the Lindros card. Naturally they flew my way, and I would go to the card shows on the weekend and sell them to the dealers for $10 each. They booked in Beckett for $30 at the time and dealers sold them like hotcakes for $25-35.

You can still buy those Score wax packs from 1990 today, in 2013, for probably a dime. I would love to know how many billions of them they printed.
I have heard stories that there are still warehouses full of ProSet from those years.

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I got back into collecting this past Sept (2012). I've been buying lots of Upper Deck Series 1 and 2 from 2011-12 and Series 1 of 2012-13. I've sent many of my old cards and the new ones into Beckett for grading. Here is a small list of my good cards that I got graded:

2011-12 Upper Deck Young Guns RNH 9.5 (Centering 10 Corners 9 Edges 9.5 Surface 10)
2011-12 Upper Deck Young Guns Canvas Mark Scheifele 9.5 (Centering 9.5 Corners 9.5 Edges 10 Surface 9)
2011-12 Upper Deck Young Guns Mark Scheifele 9.5 (Centering 10 Corners 9 Edges 9.5 Surface 10)
2011-12 Upper Deck Young Guns Sean Courturier 9.5 (Centering 10 Corners 9 Edges 9.5 Surface 10)
1990-91 Score American Martin Brodeur 9.5 (Centering 9.5 Corners 9 Edges 9.5 Surface 9.5)
1990-91 OPC Premier Jaromir Jagr 9.5 (Centering 9 Corners 9.5 Edges 10 Surface 9.5)
2012-13 Certified Freshman Signatures Mark Stone Red 153/199 9.5 (Centering 9.5 Corners 9.5 Edges 10 Surface 9.5) Autograph 10
2011-12 Upper Deck Young Guns Adam Henrique 9.5 (Centering 9.5 Corners 9 Edges 9.5 Surface 9.5)

One I thought would get a great grading was my 1985-86 OPC Mario Lemieux rookie. What killed the grade on is was the centering - 7.5 (Centering 7 Corners 8.5 Edges 9 Surface 9).


My next batch of rookies I'm sending in include: Ovechkin YG, Tavares YG, Selanne Rookie 1991 UD, 2012-13 Carter Ashton Young Guns Exclusive Spectrum 02/10, 2011-12 OPC RNH Marquee Rookie, 2011-12 OPC Retro RNH, Fuhr OPC rookie and Sakic OPC rookie.

One thing about graded cards is there is no debate on the condition of the card.

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