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08-05-2012, 02:41 PM
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The difference between Oduya and Sutton is no where near the difference between Khabibulin and Emery. Personally I'd prefer Sutton to Oduya because he brings a physical presence that Oduya doesn't.

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08-05-2012, 02:42 PM
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As for the goalies. Khabby and Emery... both stink, neither is reliable. Sure khabby makes more money, but he's got one year left, and Edmonton is not going to be a cap team this season, so the point is moot.

This deal just doesn't make sense for either team.
Pretty sure the Oilers owner wouldn't mind saving a little money on backup G position

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I wouldn't call Khabibulin an upgrade over Emery at all. Emery was decent last year, but I'd bank on him having a better year this year. At least better than what Khabibulin will have. And while I will agree that Sutton brings toughness, he is a pylon defensively and there are probably better options available if toughness is what you're looking for.
Emery is god awful ,, Can barely even move let along play net

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08-05-2012, 02:46 PM
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Sutton can't skate and can't pass and hasn't played a full season in 3 years. Not sure what good he does in a puck possession systme and the Hawks already signed Brookbank to help out the bottom pair. Khabibulin's liver should be large enough to stop a few more pucks than Emery, if either are even healthy.
Bad trade for Chicago, they already tried the pylon experiments and they went poorly. Might be a worse trade since it's likely the two players might not even be available more than half the year.

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08-05-2012, 02:56 PM
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People are underrating Sutton, he's good possitionally, good on the PK, has decent hands, and hits like a train. Just because he isn't that fast anymore doesn't change that he's a perfect #6 for us

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08-05-2012, 03:25 PM
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People are underrating Sutton, he's good possitionally, good on the PK, has decent hands, and hits like a train. Just because he isn't that fast anymore doesn't change that he's a perfect #6 for us
Oduya is better though and like BlackhawkswinCup I hate Oduya as well. The price that we paid for Oduya at the deadline as well as in his new contract probably mean that Hawks management will likely not move him. I wish we had never gotten Oduya but he is our #4 defenseman and trading him for Sutton is bad value considering our efforts to acquire him.

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08-05-2012, 03:36 PM
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Pretty sure the Oilers owner wouldn't mind saving a little money on backup G position



Emery is god awful ,, Can barely even move let along play net
and paying a lot more for a bottom pairing Dman. If you make a case for Oduya being better then Whitney then Whitney gets bumped down to 3rd pairing while making 5M. In both cases EDM overpays for a bottom pairing Dman.

EDM has a Oduya in N.Schultz.

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08-05-2012, 04:05 PM
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Pretty sure the Oilers owner wouldn't mind saving a little money on backup G position
I don't think I'd want Emery around the young players. And yeah, I realize the other guy went to jail...

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08-05-2012, 04:26 PM
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I don't think I'd want Emery around the young players. And yeah, I realize the other guy went to jail...
Yeah, Emery's been a really bad influence in Chicago..

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08-05-2012, 04:37 PM
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and paying a lot more for a bottom pairing Dman. If you make a case for Oduya being better then Whitney then Whitney gets bumped down to 3rd pairing while making 5M. In both cases EDM overpays for a bottom pairing Dman.

EDM has a Oduya in N.Schultz.
How did come to this, they're 2 different types of D. N.Schultz is a solid 2nd pairing D on any team, he's not flashy but he gets the job done, and he can be physical. With Oduya it would questionable if he would make the top 6. He would have to beat out Whitney, and if Whitney comes back to form, Oduya will be in the PB. If Chicago had the chance to trade Oduya for N.Schultz they would be all over it. To compare Oduya to N.Schultz is nuts.

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08-05-2012, 04:42 PM
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How did come to this, they're 2 different types of D. N.Schultz is a solid 2nd pairing D on any team, he's not flashy but he gets the job done, and he can be physical. With Oduya it would questionable if he would make the top 6. He would have to beat out Whitney, and if Whitney comes back to form, Oduya will be in the PB. If Chicago had the chance to trade Oduya for N.Schultz they would be all over it. To compare Oduya to N.Schultz is nuts.
Both are smaller 4/5 LHS Dmen who prefer to block shots instead of hitting.
There is not much difference between the 2 IMO.

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08-05-2012, 04:43 PM
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Uh no.. Chicago would not be all over an Oduya for N. Schultz trade.. and again, no, N.Schultz isn't a top-4 Dman on any team. For instance:

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
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08-05-2012, 04:51 PM
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Uh no.. Chicago would not be all over an Oduya for N. Schultz trade.. and again, no, N.Schultz isn't a top-4 Dman on any team. For instance:

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Schultz - Montador/Brookbank
Your kidding with Hjalmarsson.

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08-05-2012, 05:02 PM
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why?? Hjalmarsson had that spot when we won the Cup and yes, Hjammer is better than Schultz

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08-05-2012, 05:24 PM
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I prefer Emery over Khabby, and Oduya over Sutton..all day, every day.

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08-05-2012, 05:28 PM
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Uh no.. Chicago would not be all over an Oduya for N. Schultz trade.. and again, no, N.Schultz isn't a top-4 Dman on any team. For instance:

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Schultz - Montador/Brookbank

Rather see Leddy in the 3rd pairing. He hasn't been able to be as successful in the top 4 role

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08-05-2012, 05:31 PM
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Sutton can't skate and can't pass and hasn't played a full season in 3 years. Not sure what good he does in a puck possession systme and the Hawks already signed Brookbank to help out the bottom pair. Khabibulin's liver should be large enough to stop a few more pucks than Emery, if either are even healthy.
Bad trade for Chicago, they already tried the pylon experiments and they went poorly. Might be a worse trade since it's likely the two players might not even be available more than half the year.
I don't know why you are slamming Sutton, he had a very good year last season (for a 3rd pairing guy). He played less because the Oilers wanted to give minutes to some developing players, and they knew what they had in Sutton.

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08-05-2012, 05:33 PM
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To the op, i would do it. But Oduya's contract gives cause for concern. The goalie thing is irrelevant for Edmonton IMO, so it's Sutton for Oduya. I don't think Chicago gives any thought to this though, considering the deal they gave Oduya.

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08-05-2012, 05:35 PM
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Uh no.. Chicago would not be all over an Oduya for N. Schultz trade.. and again, no, N.Schultz isn't a top-4 Dman on any team. For instance:

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Schultz - Montador/Brookbank
This made me laugh.

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Uh no.. Chicago would not be all over an Oduya for N. Schultz trade.. and again, no, N.Schultz isn't a top-4 Dman on any team. For instance:

Keith - Seabrook
Leddy - Hjalmarsson
Schultz - Montador/Brookbank
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why?? Hjalmarsson had that spot when we won the Cup and yes, Hjammer is better than Schultz
haha, no he isn't. Show some proof. I can but it seems i always show all the proof in evry argument on here. I'm interested in why you think what you do.

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08-05-2012, 05:39 PM
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Don't want Khabby back, could use Sutton to give the illusion of size/toughness...Emery wasn't bad last year, but would love to get rid of Oduya.
So basically a rehash of Scott's role with the team. Pass.

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Yeah, Emery's been a really bad influence in Chicago..
Cmon buddy get real, that will always be considered an issue with him. The guy was apparently sucha a bad apple he was essentialy run out of the league for a year.

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So basically a rehash of Scott's role with the team. Pass.
Andy Sutton is so much better than John Scott it's stupid. Scott is an enforcer, Sutton is an actual player. Sutton was a top 4 defenseman for far too long, even if he no longer is, to be compared to Scott.

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08-05-2012, 05:44 PM
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haha, no he isn't. Show some proof. I can but it seems i always show all the proof in evry argument on here. I'm interested in why you think what you do.
Proof: Hjalmmerson has played in the NHL Schultz hasn't yet.

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Proof: Hjalmmerson has played in the NHL Schultz hasn't yet.
Hes talking about Nick Schultz not Justin.

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Cmon buddy get real, that will always be considered an issue with him. The guy was apparently sucha a bad apple he was essentialy run out of the league for a year.
Agreed. Great post. Add being the worst on the ice. Emery and 2014 3rd for Bulin? Then waive Emery/buyout since we pay Nik more?

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