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08-05-2012, 10:31 PM
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That ,s other tha jarnkrok who i only know because he played with a pretty decent prospect we have, that list is pretty unimpressive.Not one is a blue chipper and most will need years of development time to even make the nhl

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08-05-2012, 10:33 PM
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Ill make this really easy for you what would the wings offer up to get shea webber

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I think another thread settled pretty favorably at a Miller for Volchenkov base deal. I'd do that deal immediately if I was Holland, even if I need to part with a 3rd or 4th.

We can't act like replacing Lidstrom is our goal. That has to be a group effort between the guys we already have, especially Kronwall and Smith. I think a more pressing issue is filling the hole Stuart left, as we only have one solid defensive defenseman in Ericsson. Volchenkov, while not an ideal fit--being that he's a lefty--he would be a top shutdown/PK'er. Plus, Volchenkov and Kronwall on the ice together would be a nightmare for opponents in transition.

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08-05-2012, 10:37 PM
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I think another thread settled pretty favorably at a Miller for Volchenkov base deal. I'd do that deal immediately if I was Holland, even if I need to part with a 3rd or 4th.

We can't act like replacing Lidstrom is our goal. That has to be a group effort between the guys we already have, especially Kronwall and Smith. I think a more pressing issue is filling the hole Stuart left, as we only have one solid defensive defenseman in Ericsson. Volchenkov, while not an ideal fit--being that he's a lefty--he would be a top shutdown/PK'er. Plus, Volchenkov and Kronwall on the ice together would be a nightmare for opponents in transition.
No but as you,re fellow red wings fan seems to think ,the prospect list he has presented doesnt make it fact that wings dont need to rebuild

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08-05-2012, 11:23 PM
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We can't act like replacing Lidstrom is our goal. That has to be a group effort between the guys we already have, especially Kronwall and Smith. I think a more pressing issue is filling the hole Stuart left, as we only have one solid defensive defenseman in Ericsson. Volchenkov, while not an ideal fit--being that he's a lefty--he would be a top shutdown/PK'er. Plus, Volchenkov and Kronwall on the ice together would be a nightmare for opponents in transition.
This is what I've been saying for awhile now. We don't need an elite top 2 defenseman. What we need is a 3 - 5 stay at home type to replace Stuart. We don't need an offensive dynamo. We need someone besides Kronwall to make an oppenent think twice about entering the zone.

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08-05-2012, 11:25 PM
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Teams with four or more prospects on the list:

Six: Minnesota Wild

Five: Ottawa Senators

Four: Washington Capitals, Florida Panthers, St. Louis Blues, Chicago Blackhawks, Detroit Red Wings.

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08-05-2012, 11:32 PM
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Again it doesnt mean a hill of beans man ,iam not trying to crap all over you,re parade but you are grasping a little here.For every one big time junior player that makes it as a star in the nhl there are thousands that dont ,some with out of this world numbers .
Any prospect can bust, fair statement.

Any prospect, for any team, at any time.

So by your incredibly foolish logic, every team that doesn't currently have a good young core should be rebuilding, because none of those prospects are sure-fire. And even when they draft new prospects, those guys could bust too, so they should continue to rebuild.

I think we just found 22-23 rebuilding teams.

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08-05-2012, 11:33 PM
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Again what proof do you have that jarnkrok will be the next great swede or any of those lower drafted players will be anything at all,if stats mean everything i guess silvferberg will be the next forsberg then
What proof do you have that they won't? Wings fans have a right to feel good about the prospect pool. Good luck convincing a lot of us otherwise. 20 years of trust in the management, owner and team will do that. I guess for the rest of the hockey world I understand why you hope that isn't the case, but you're selling it to the wrong group if you think you're going to get a lot of Wings fans to call our system garbage. They don't need all of them to pan out they need two or three out of the 10 top 6 potential players in the system, that is far from unreasonable.

Also curious when Emerson Etem became a bust? You can not like prospects, it is clear you don't value them, but some of these statements are pretty ridiculous in my opinion.

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08-05-2012, 11:35 PM
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Any prospect can bust, fair statement.

Any prospect, for any team, at any time.

So by your incredibly foolish logic, every team that doesn't currently have a good young core should be rebuilding, because none of those prospects are sure-fire. And even when they draft new prospects, those guys could bust too, so they should continue to rebuild.

I think we just found 22-23 rebuilding teams.
You have 29 rebuilding teams and one stanley cup champion

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08-05-2012, 11:36 PM
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So you expect to find Lidstrom and Zetterberg out of those? Well then the Sens will find Sakic, Forsberg, Roy and Hejduk. Silfverberg should be much higher as well.

Totally unrealistic to suggest Jarnkrok is Zetterberg at this point.
When did I ever say there was a Lidstrom in there? Oh wait, I didn't, that was the guy who said Detroit's system wasn't great.

Fact is this, Detroit has very talented prospects in Smith, Nyquist, Jarnkrok, Jurco, Tatar, Pulkkinen, Mrazek, Sproul, Ouellet, etc.

Will some of them bust? Certainly. Will some live up to their potential? You bet. Could one or two exceed their potential? Sure.

Fact is even if only half of those names become good NHL players, Detroit's in pretty damn good shape.

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You have 29 rebuilding teams and one stanley cup champion
Chicago and Pittsburgh - Rebuilders!

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What proof do you have that they won't. Wings fans have a right to feel good about the prospect pool. Good luck convincing a lot of us otherwise. 20 years of trust in the management, owner and team will do that. I guess for the rest of the hockey world I understand why you hope that isn't the case, but you're selling it to the wrong group if you think you're going to get a lot of Wings fans to call our system garbage. They don't need all of them to pan out they need two or three out of the 10 top 6 potential players in the system, that is far from unreasonable.

Also curious when Emerson Etem became a bust? You can not like prospects, it is clear you don't value them, but some of these statements are pretty ridiculous in my opinion.
Look man read all the posts previous to this because to come in and act like iam trying to say that he shouldnt be a fan of his team or its prospects are way off base

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Chicago and Pittsburgh - Rebuilders!
Did the win the cup ??Do they not have question marks about their team and its ability to win ??All teams are in a constant mode of retooling/rebuilding some need more than others .

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When did I ever say there was a Lidstrom in there? Oh wait, I didn't, that was the guy who said Detroit's system wasn't great.

Fact is this, Detroit has very talented prospects in Smith, Nyquist, Jarnkrok, Jurco, Tatar, Pulkkinen, Mrazek, Sproul, Ouellet, etc.

Will some of them bust? Certainly. Will some live up to their potential? You bet. Could one or two exceed their potential? Sure.

Fact is even if only half of those names become good NHL players, Detroit's in pretty damn good shape.
Yes it's a good system. But chances of a Zetterberg are very slim. From that system, I'd bet on 0 starting NHL goalies, 1 top 4 D, 1 other serviceable NHL D, 3 NHL forwards (1-2 top 6 forwards, 1-2 top9 forwards).

No elite players, no 70+ points two-way studs.

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Zibanejad, Lehner, and Silfverberg aren't sure-fire things because any prospect could bust, Ottawa should trade Karlsson for draft picks and start the rebuild!

Sorry, just trying to embrace the logic that has been graced upon us.

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Yes it's a good system. But chances of a Zetterberg are very slim. From that system, I'd bet on 0 starting NHL goalies, 1 top 4 D, 1 other serviceable NHL D, 3 NHL forwards (1-2 top 6 forwards, 1-2 top9 forwards).

No elite players, no 70+ points two-way studs.
All i said is that detroit needs a rebuild ,which is true and i get this bombardment of stats and me being a detroit hater

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Zibanejad, Lehner, and Silfverberg aren't sure-fire things because any prospect could bust, Ottawa should trade Karlsson for draft picks and start the rebuild!

Sorry, just trying to embrace the logic that has been graced upon us.
No this isnt what i said at all if you would just open you mind and think it will come to you .

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Yes it's a good system. But chances of a Zetterberg are very slim. From that system, I'd bet on 0 starting NHL goalies, 1 top 4 D, 1 other serviceable NHL D, 3 NHL forwards (1-2 top 6 forwards, 1-2 top9 forwards).

No elite players, no 70+ points two-way studs.
Umm, Smith and Jarnkrok both have a pretty decent chance to be elite. Jurco remains to be seen. Those would be the "Elite" favorites in my opinion, though I suppose Nyquist could continue to dominate his way into the NHL.

Pulkkinen certainly has the scoring potential to be elite, but he's got a lot of work to do in other areas of his game.

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You mean people still haven't figured out that Holland brought in Quincey to replace Stuart?
That might be the case, but it isn't good enough.

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No this isnt what i said at all if you would just open you mind and think it will come to you .
Pretty sure when I provided stats and lists you started up your bull **** about how nothing is a guarantee, so yeah, pretty sure I got it.

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Umm, Smith and Jarnkrok both have a pretty decent chance to be elite. Jurco remains to be seen. Those would be the "Elite" favorites in my opinion, though I suppose Nyquist could continue to dominate his way into the NHL.

Pulkkinen certainly has the scoring potential to be elite, but he's got a lot of work to do in other areas of his game.
Stop with the wishful thinking ,you,re management wouldnt have offered 100 million to suter and parise if they where as sure as you seem to be

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Pretty sure when I provided stats and lists you started up your bull **** about how nothing is a guarantee, so yeah, pretty sure I got it.
The only one spreading bull around here is you ,i have done nothing but pointed out some pretty even keeled opinion and you have responded with nothing but more bull

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Stop with the wishful thinking ,you,re management wouldnt have offered 100 million to suter and parise if they where as sure as you seem to be
First off we didn't offer either one of them $100M.

Secondly, last I checked they both signed in Minnesota, who offered more, despite having one of the best prospect pools in the league.

They must have wanted Parise over the all-too-real fear that Granlund was gonna be nothing more than a fringe 4th liner his entire career.

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First off we didn't offer either one of them $100M.

Secondly, last I checked they both signed in Minnesota, who offered more, despite having one of the best prospect pools in the league.

They must have wanted Parise over the all-too-real fear that Granlund was gonna be nothing more than a fringe 4th liner his entire career.
He might be ,but i know better now detroit doesnt need a rebuild their deep prospect pool and great young players will propell them past teams like stl and la

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He might be ,but i know better now detroit doesnt need a rebuild their deep prospect pool and great young players will propell them past teams like stl and la
Heh, it just might.

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