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The Pizza Line vs The WCE

View Poll Results: Which one?
The Pizza Line 112 77.78%
The West Coast Express 28 19.44%
Even 4 2.78%
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08-06-2012, 06:39 PM
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Yep. Wicked times, some really good childhood memories for me.
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08-06-2012, 08:46 PM
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Pizza Line.

I miss it eversomuch.

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08-06-2012, 08:53 PM
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Alfredsson=Naslund
Heatley=Bertuzzi
Spezza>>>Morrison

The center issue is what tips it in favor of the Pizza Line.

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08-06-2012, 09:46 PM
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Alfredsson=Naslund
Heatley=Bertuzzi
Spezza>>>Morrison

The center issue is what tips it in favor of the Pizza Line.
Definite talent discrepancy at centre, yes, but you can't ignore the fact that Morrison was an excellent COMPLEMENTARY piece that put that line into gear. Doesn't matter if he is clearly outmatched by Spezza's talent, he was the smart playmaker that line needed and knew his role WELL.

Reminds of when Vincent Lecavalier recently told a reporter who his favourite linemate was... You'd expect Brad Richards or Martin St. Louis, right? Wrong. Without hesistating, it's Vinny Prospal. Clearly not a dynamic talent like Richards or St. Louis, but another great example of a complementary player who understood his role and made the necessary smart plays to make his line put up the points.

Someone like Spezza might have made the WCE even more scary, but Morrison was an excellent fit within the Canucks system at the time, and why mess with a proven formula?

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08-06-2012, 09:51 PM
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Someone like Spezza might have made the WCE even more scary, but Morrison was an excellent fit within the Canucks system at the time, and why mess with a proven formula?
To win a cup ?

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08-06-2012, 09:54 PM
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If you adjust for league wide scoring and assume 82 games by all 6 of the players:

WCE: 310 points
Pizza line: 322 points

Even then, I don't think that accurately represents the dominance of Pizza line in reality IMO.

2006-2007 should similarly result in:

WCE: 293 points
Pizza line: 304 points
You need also to look about goal scored a bit more (if a line scored more goal with assist between them it should not count).

Also for sure the pizza line with a 82 games Spezza would take the edge but as you see barely, with a 60 issh Spezza I think it is about even stat wise, but I did not see the WCE much (in playoff often someone was missing).

And the sens lines was the biggest thing in the east.

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08-06-2012, 10:00 PM
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To win a cup ?
You, sir, made me laugh so hard!

True, but it would be a risk even if a talented player is coming the other. If I have a line like that firing on all cylinders, you'd be damned sure they're staying together like glue! Lines like that don't come along every day -

Even if they didn't win a Cup, would you want to be known as the GM who broke apart the Legion of Doom?

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08-06-2012, 10:07 PM
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Even if they didn't win a Cup, would you want to be known as the GM who broke apart the Legion of Doom?
If you look the number of match of Mikael Renberg actually played with the flyers and after and his offensive production to have move him to an equivalent right-wing of Jason Spezza, I think so yes.

And I would of had probably more succes, Lindros certainly did not needed Renberg or anyone to have success.

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08-06-2012, 10:09 PM
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Definitely the Pizza Line. Basically three players who were elite in shooting, playmaking, vision and offensive IQ. They could tear apart teams at will and control a game.

I remember Game 5 vs. Buffalo in 2007 when Heatley made a good defensive play (yes, I know) and broke up a play and chipped the puck up. Alfie and Spezza were on a two-on-one and Alfie had a fake slapper pass to Spezza who banked it into the open net. They just made it look so easy because they could all do everything at an elite level.

It sucks the line was broken up, especially the way it happened.

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08-06-2012, 10:12 PM
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I remember Game 5 vs. Buffalo in 2007 when Heatley made a good defensive play (yes, I know) and broke up a play and chipped the puck up. Alfie and Spezza were on a two-on-one and Alfie had a fake slapper pass to Spezza who banked it into the open net. They just made it look so easy because they could all do everything at an elite level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do-CwmW7yKo

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08-06-2012, 11:49 PM
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http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...ewName=summary

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08-07-2012, 02:05 AM
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That's a tougher one than the other poll. Said the Pizza line.

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08-07-2012, 01:41 PM
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Not to be a dick and quote my own post, but when is the last time a line finished 1-2-3 in playoff scoring? I just checked back to 1997, and the pizza line was the only one to do this.

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08-07-2012, 01:44 PM
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No, just no.
Good argument. But I still think it's the WCE.

2002-03 Bertuzzi and Naslund were unstoppable.

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Leafs fan saying Pizza line. They tore the Leafs apart and Heatley averaged close to a goal a game against us.

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08-07-2012, 09:09 PM
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Pizza line suffered a lot more injuries (WCE had all 3 play 82 games in their prime), but when you go by goals per game and points per game, the Pizza line was the better of the two,

WCE G/g A/gPts/g
2002/030.512 0.658 1.171
PIZZAG/g A/gPts/g
2005/060.458 0.7531.211
2006/070.500 0.735 1.234
2007/080.530 0.682 1.212

Even if you normalize the data to consider league wide scoring Pizza still comes out on top (I used 5.605, the average goals/game over the 4 years in question).

WCE G/g A/gPts/g
2002/030.484 0.622 1.106
PIZZAG/g A/gPts/g
2005/060.458 0.753 1.211
2006/070.4880.717 1.205
2007/080.5550.715 1.270

The only thing WCE had going for (to any significant degree) was the physical presence of Bertuzzi which Pizza had nothing to counter and durability.

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08-08-2012, 12:11 AM
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Although Morrison was the "weak link" of the WCE, prime Naslund and Bertuzzi are miles better than either prime Heatley or Alfredsson
they werent ''miles'' better

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08-08-2012, 08:18 AM
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It's the Pizza line, but I couldn't stop myself from voting homer.

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08-08-2012, 10:27 AM
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Although Morrison was the "weak link" of the WCE, prime Naslund and Bertuzzi are miles better than either prime Heatley or Alfredsson

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08-08-2012, 01:29 PM
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It's probably Pizza, but I'm voting WCE anyways

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08-08-2012, 01:48 PM
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Man the Pizza line was great to watch. Gotta go with them. Absolutely dominant. Time to bring Heatley back hehe

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08-08-2012, 04:47 PM
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I was just going trough some Sens old game and I found this one, it gives a good idea of how dominant the pizza line could be :

Febuary 9th 2008 vs Montreal :

1st Period
00:22 OTT Jason Spezza Slap Shot - Assists: A. Volchenkov
01:42 OTT Jason Spezza Wrist Shot - Assists: D. Heatley & D. Alfredsson
04:45 OTT Daniel Alfredsson Wrist Shot - Assists: J. Corvo & J. Spezza

2nd Period
10:17 OTT Dany Heatley Wrist Shot - Assists: J. Spezza & D. Alfredsson
13:36 OTT PPG - Jason Spezza Wrist Shot - Assists: D. Heatley & D. Alfredsson
19:35 MTL PPG - Andrei Kostitsyn Tip-In - Assists: S. Kostitsyn & C. Price

3rd Period
02:28 OTT PPG - Daniel Alfredsson Snap Shot - Assists: D. Heatley & J. Spezza

J. Spezza : 3 G - 3 A - 6 P
D. Alfredsson : 2 G - 3 A - 5 P
D. Heatley : 1G - 3 A - 4 P

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08-08-2012, 09:27 PM
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I'm a Sens fan, but I grew up in Vancouver watching the Canucks; and two of my all-time favorites are Markus Naslund and Daniel Alfredsson.

And though both lines were the best in their respective years, I think I'll go with the CASH line.
It's a shame that both lines were broken the way they were...

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Thing of beauty. I miss that.

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