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08-08-2012, 06:01 AM
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I disagree.

He's just learning to play with his size , he has above average hockey IQ, a great set of hands, and an awesome nickname. He is a classic late bloomer.
A great set of hands? Decent hands at best. Kid will be a good 3rd liner one day.

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08-08-2012, 07:34 AM
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The last thing the Kings need is another small CHL goal scorer. He'd be on par with Weal, Kozun and Vey.
Vey is 6'0" .....is that really small??

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08-08-2012, 09:55 AM
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Vey is 6'0" .....is that really small??
For some reason I thought he was 5'10.

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08-08-2012, 10:21 AM
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For some reason I thought he was 5'10.
I just googled.

Wikipedia says 5'11
Sbnation says 6'0
Hockeydb says 5'11


I am going with 5'12

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08-08-2012, 11:06 AM
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I like him. He really is "tough as nails", and according to Jim Fox he is one of the players on the Kings rosters that really takes practice serious and spends a lot of time trying to learn and improve. It'll be interesting to see what kind of season he has. I hope he remains a King.

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08-08-2012, 11:43 AM
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The thing with Cilfford is that in time, he may become available due to salary demands but not right now.

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08-08-2012, 11:48 AM
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Nolan plays on the right.

The Kings will need The Big Red Dog nexy year if one, or both, of Gagne or Penner aren't back.
Is that the "great hockey nickname" you alluded to earlier?

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08-08-2012, 11:53 AM
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The thing with Cilfford is that in time, he may become available due to salary demands but not right now.
How do you figure?

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08-08-2012, 12:16 PM
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is that the "great hockey nickname" you alluded to earlier?
Ruff! Ruff!

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08-08-2012, 12:20 PM
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How do you figure?
They have a lot of money tied up right now, but in a couple years, they are going to need to spend some big money at LW and D.

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08-08-2012, 12:37 PM
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Is that the "great hockey nickname" you alluded to earlier?
I think his nickname is actually KFC ("The Colonel") because his middle name is Frank or Francis. But Kings fans like to call him the Big Red Dog as well.

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To me this is an interesting thing.

Clifford is everything that the majority of Kings fans say he is and that is a tough, skilled defencively solid gritty 21yo player who works his tail off both on and off the ice and is seen as a locker room leader, a really great young player.

Will he be a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential or a 2nd liner who is a better fit on the 3rd line? When you think about it the fact that we aren't really debating the fact that Clifford is an will continue to develop into an skilled NHL player makes him an exceptional young player.

The kid is in the NHL to play and one of those guys who every team would love to have in their line up and would be as complimentary of him as most of the Kings fans and several fans from the teams that he plays against on a regular basis.

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08-08-2012, 08:45 PM
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To me this is an interesting thing.

Clifford is everything that the majority of Kings fans say he is and that is a tough, skilled defencively solid gritty 21yo player who works his tail off both on and off the ice and is seen as a locker room leader, a really great young player.

Will he be a 3rd liner with 2nd line potential or a 2nd liner who is a better fit on the 3rd line? When you think about it the fact that we aren't really debating the fact that Clifford is an will continue to develop into an skilled NHL player makes him an exceptional young player.

The kid is in the NHL to play and one of those guys who every team would love to have in their line up and would be as complimentary of him as most of the Kings fans and several fans from the teams that he plays against on a regular basis.
Yep. The Big Red Dog must stay.

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08-08-2012, 09:14 PM
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He has too much promise to move. Not much offensive potential, but more skill than a fourth liner. He has the potential of a great support player with size, grit and character.

His does have a couple of issues right now. He wasn't ready for a 3rd line role yet. He just needs time and experience to get the more valuable minutes. And he isn't really built for a 4th line pug either. He's game, but doesn't really "win" fights - at all, he takes FAR more than he gives. He's tough, but has already been concussed twice. He's got great potential, but both Dwight King and Jordan Nolan displayed more creativity and the same element of grit while likely competing for the same job.

So on one hand you have a kid that every team tries to land, and is on pace to develop into a terrific role player. But he may not have that role to play in Los Angeles, and he may have a hard time staying healthy while learning on the job playing those tough physical limited minutes.

So far Clifford has done everything you could ask of him. No way do you move him now for his realistic value, but you may have to revisit a trade scenario next season if players like King and Nolan continue to progress ahead of him, and guys like Andy Andreoff progress behind him.

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After spending a ton of time watching Andy Andy the past couple of seasons he looks like he will end up being the guy who could make KFC expendable. He will play this year in the AHL and by the end of next season could be challenging for a role on our bottom 6.

He is a solid prospect with good hands and likes to hit too. His positional play is very good and he likes to be in the mix of things.

King and Nolan are playing as expected and both have more to give at the NHL level then they have shown. I like us for our prospects over the next 3 or 4 years. If we can hang onto KFC we could be sitting pretty.

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08-09-2012, 09:09 PM
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I'd trade him for a first and a second draft pick.

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I'd trade him for a first and a second draft pick.
What in the hell....

This is a crazy over payment for Clifford. Don't get me wrong, I see the potential for Clifford, but don't think his upside is a 2nd liner. I believe he is more of a 3rd line-4th line tweener. I understand he is still very young but he just hasn't produced enough in his time in the NHL to merit that kind of return. I will gladly eat crow if he ever becomes a 2nd liner, I always want to see players succeed.

Also I saw someone say he could be the next Rick Tocchet, please never saw that again. He is no where close to that level and most likely never will be.

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After spending a ton of time watching Andy Andy the past couple of seasons he looks like he will end up being the guy who could make KFC expendable.
But does Andy Andy have the three mile zombie stare?


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But does Andy Andy have the three mile zombie stare?

No......Nobody has the zombie stare like Clifford the Big Red night of the living Dead Dog.

That picture makes want to hide under the covers.


Andy Andy will be a good utility guy for us and hopefully will allow Clifford the ability to move up his scoring game.

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08-09-2012, 10:32 PM
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Seems to me that Clifford is overrated. Maybe all of you are overrating him 'cause you're afraid he's gonna come to your house and do the zombie stare he so often does .

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Not all the kings fans have him overrated.

Just seem like a lot of us on this thread apparently.

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I've been saying ti for a while now, but his max upside is Chris Neil which is, you know, pretty damn awesome in my opinion. The Sens have had no problem hanging on to Neil all these years and I don't think the Kings will mind hanging on to him as well.

I don't like talking about King when talking about Clifford because they are different players. Nolan is the issue here and I'm a big supporter of his. I think the Kings do all they can to hold on to both of them and only move them if its a Simmonds type situation. Both of these guys can develop into solid 3rd liners who can hit and fight; at worst, they are already good 4th liners.

I love fighting and I love enforcers, but I've accepted that the goon is going to be extinct soon. The Kings have two good fighters for the new NHL in Clifford and Nolan as in guys who can play 10 minutes a night, contribute and drop the gloves when needed.

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I've been saying ti for a while now, but his max upside is Chris Neil which is, you know, pretty damn awesome in my opinion. The Sens have had no problem hanging on to Neil all these years and I don't think the Kings will mind hanging on to him as well.

I don't like talking about King when talking about Clifford because they are different players. Nolan is the issue here and I'm a big supporter of his. I think the Kings do all they can to hold on to both of them and only move them if its a Simmonds type situation. Both of these guys can develop into solid 3rd liners who can hit and fight; at worst, they are already good 4th liners.

I love fighting and I love enforcers, but I've accepted that the goon is going to be extinct soon. The Kings have two good fighters for the new NHL in Clifford and Nolan as in guys who can play 10 minutes a night, contribute and drop the gloves when needed.
I actually think King is the best fighter of the three. It's just that King doesn't fight a whole lot.

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Any Kings (or other fans) thinking Clifford is going to be a decent 2nd liner are delusional. You're just hoping he replaces Simmonds, when in fact, he doesnt.

I'd be willing to move him if the right offer came along. Otherwise, he's a superb bottom 6 winger that can fill a role of middleweight enforcer. But his type are easily replaced IMO

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Any Kings (or other fans) thinking Clifford is going to be a decent 2nd liner are delusional. You're just hoping he replaces Simmonds, when in fact, he doesnt.

I'd be willing to move him if the right offer came along. Otherwise, he's a superb bottom 6 winger that can fill a role of middleweight enforcer. But his type are easily replaced IMO
I personally think u are desional thinking you can find someone to replace clifford easily. The kid is only playing 9 mins 24 secs a game only 2 king regualar played less nolon and westgarth. As shown earlier the kid can put the puck into the net with some nice goals. He s willing to drop the gloves with anyone. He plays with alot of heart.

In time with more mintues he will feel more confident to say no to droping the glove and play with more of his natural skill. The kid is known to be one of the last on the ice and always working to improve his game. He was almost a point a game player at barrie in his last year. With more mins he will gain more confidense. He will also have more skilled players with him all year unlike last year where he played with hunter moreau westgarth etc. I see the line of clifford fraser lewis to be one of the better 4th lines skill wize in the league. I think in a few years he can delvope into more of a scoreing winger and would love to see him opening space for carter and richards. With gagne and penner both on there way out i can see king clifford and pearson all battleing for time on the 2nd line. I would move richardson nolon westgarth before moving clifford.

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