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08-06-2012, 10:26 PM
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Who is a part of our future core?

Who is going to be a part of our future core, and who will be expendable for trades on upgrades/depth/weaknesses? (Let's say in 3 years for development/readiness)

Lupul-Kadri/JVR-Kessel
JVR/Kadri-Grabovski-Frattin
Ashton/Ross/Biggs-Bozak-Kulemin
Komarov-McClement-Brown

Phaneuf-Rielly
Gardiner-Gunnarsson
Percy-Blacker
Holzer

Reimer-Scrivens

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08-06-2012, 10:32 PM
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You generally would prefer to have a core of a couple good young players, combined with a couple of solid veterans.

Right now, I would pick - Kessel, Grabovski, JVR, Frattin as a core group of forwards and Phaneuf, Gardiner and Gunnar as our core defenceman. So as it stands, I would say that anyone outside of that is expendable.

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08-06-2012, 10:34 PM
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Burke has stated in numerous interviews that the core group going forward is kessel, phaneuf, lupul, gardiner

Not sure if any other players are core players, but Burke definitely mentioned these 4 as a part of the core.

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08-06-2012, 10:44 PM
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i'm already going to criticize the lupul selection.

he turns 29 this sept. why is he considered someone worthy of signing for 5 more years?

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i'm already going to criticize the lupul selection.

he turns 29 this sept. why is he considered someone worthy of signing for 5 more years?
Because Burke said he was. I will take the GM's word over yours anyday.

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It's a tough thread without defining core. Core players could be top 6 forward and 3-4 defenceman, or does it mean "players who will be here in 2-3 years".

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08-06-2012, 10:48 PM
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Because Burke said he was. I will take the GM's word over yours anyday.
"because i said so" is kind of a professional wrestling answer.

give me some logic please. the pro wrestling answer is not what we do around here. we show up every night to discuss hockey.

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It's a tough thread without defining core. Core players could be top 6 forward and 3-4 defenceman, or does it mean "players who will be here in 2-3 years".
To me, core guys are the ones you build the team around and lead you to the playoffs and beyond. So 2-3 forwards, between 1-3 D, and definitely a goalie.

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It's a tough thread without defining core. Core players could be top 6 forward and 3-4 defenceman, or does it mean "players who will be here in 2-3 years".
That's what I meant.

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Who I'd like to keep from the current team

Lupul - - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kadri
Kulemin McClement - Frattin
Kamarov - Steckel - Brown

Phaneuf -
Gardiner - gunnarsson

Reimer

Who I absolutely do not want traded Kessel, JVR, Kulemin, Gardiner.

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i'm already going to criticize the lupul selection.

he turns 29 this sept. why is he considered someone worthy of signing for 5 more years?
Were the Sedin twins part of the Canucks' core when they signed 5 year contracts at 29?

Use your brain.

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"because i said so" is kind of a professional wrestling answer.

give me some logic please. the pro wrestling answer is not what we do around here. we show up every night to discuss hockey.
Well, when the ducks won the cup, selanne was a core player, and he was much older than lupul is right now.

Lupul has enough skill to play on the top line and he can provide leadership for a team full of young players. By the way 29 isnt that old for a finesse player.

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"because i said so" is kind of a professional wrestling answer.

give me some logic please. the pro wrestling answer is not what we do around here. we show up every night to discuss hockey.
Are you seriously asking him to tell you what Burke thinks ?

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despite the sedins' candy girl performance in the playoffs they have proven that they have an upside.

lupul has had one season with the leafs and he still shows signs that he's the guy who still might not play a full season (like the last 5 years of his career). i want to see lupul play well and be healthy for 2 seasons before i can say that he's and actual core piece of the team.

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08-06-2012, 10:58 PM
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Core Players:
Kessel
JVR
Phaneuf
Gardiner

Fringe Core Players (need to get back to form/repeat last season to cement their spot):
Lupul
Kulemin
Gunnarsson

Players who I do not think are apart of the core but won't be traded away easily:
Grabo
Frattin

Feel free to disagree, the core player topic can be pretty subjective.

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despite the sedins' candy girl performance in the playoffs they have proven that they have an upside.

lupul has had one season with the leafs and he still shows signs that he's the guy who still might not play a full season (like the last 5 years of his career). i want to see lupul play well and be healthy for 2 seasons before i can say that he's and actual core piece of the team.
So you're saying your opinion of a core peice is more important than Burke's?

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Are you seriously asking him to tell you what Burke thinks ?
no because he already spoke about Burke and his transparent statements and how we should all take the as the gospel.

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So you're saying your opinion of a core peice is more important than Burke's?
of course i am. why would his opinion be more important than mine.

don't we all have a little self-worth?

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Core Players:
Kessel
JVR
Phaneuf
Gardiner

Fringe Core Players (need to get back to form/repeat last season to cement their spot):
Lupul
Kulemin
Gunnarsson

Players who I do not think are apart of the core but won't be traded away easily:
Grabo
Frattin

Feel free to disagree, the core player topic can be pretty subjective.
Agree. Add Rielly to core and it works for me. Fringe core isn't really of importance, I'd be more interested in prospects that could make their way into the core (Kadri, Biggs, Finn, Ashton, Percy IMO).

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Well, when the ducks won the cup, selanne was a core player, and he was much older than lupul is right now.

Lupul has enough skill to play on the top line and he can provide leadership for a team full of young players. By the way 29 isnt that old for a finesse player.
Exactly..

but people are getting ecstatic over vets like shane doan (35)
Parise is 28..
when we wanted them
Brad Richards was 31
Kovalchuck was 27

Now I'm not placing Lupul in that group of players, but had he of played the full season, their is no doubt he would of hit 80 points much like Kessel, and if he of stayed with Anaheim or went to another team and put up those points.. 28 years old or not, we would of all been wanting him had he of been a free agent this year.

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Agree. Add Rielly to core and it works for me. Fringe core isn't really of importance, I'd be more interested in prospects that could make their way into the core (Kadri, Biggs, Finn, Ashton, Percy IMO).
I thought about adding prospects in but the fact that they are still prospects made me decide not to. Someone like Rielly we would probably say is because he is the most recently drafted and I would agree with it. Someone like Kadri though, I'm personally not sure on this. Seems like if he makes the NHL it will be as a winger, could always make the transition to center later, but if it is a winger and he is apart of the core we would have 4 top 6 wingers as apart of our core but no centers seems unrealistic.

At that point we would probably want to trade a winger for center help. Kessel is our top winger so wouldn't want to do that. Lupul is the player who plays best with Kessel so wouldn't want to move him. JVR has some great size for our top 6 so wouldn't want to move him. Would leave Kadri as the expendable piece and I wonder if he currently is expendable and being used in trade proposals by Burke.

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Kessel, Grabovski, Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly

Add JVR+Reimer if they have good seasons next year.

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Kessel, Grabovski, Phaneuf, Gardiner, Rielly

Add JVR+Reimer if they have good seasons next year.

See i wouldn't really include a prospect like Rielly.. Yes he looks excellent and all, but he could always be like another Kadri to us in a few years.

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See i wouldn't really include a prospect like Rielly.. Yes he looks excellent and all, but he could always be like another Kadri to us in a few years.
That's true, but he is someone I could see on the team in 2-3 years and is currently not expendable which is the point of the thread. Right now I would probably would trade Kadri in the right deal, but Reilly is untouchable.

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See i wouldn't really include a prospect like Rielly.. Yes he looks excellent and all, but he could always be like another Kadri to us in a few years.
And he could be a Karlsson in a few years, people overrate the need of having your prospects making it right away, instead of letting them work on deficencies.

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