HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Columbus Blue Jackets
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

2013 NHL Draft Thread

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-24-2013, 12:45 PM
  #301
JacketsFanWest
Registered User
 
JacketsFanWest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Country: Sweden
Posts: 2,780
vCash: 500
MacKinnon has drawn Crosby comparisons because they are from the same town. Expectations are wayyy too high for MacKinnon. He's not Crosby 2.0. More like Tyler Seguin.

JacketsFanWest is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 01:05 PM
  #302
Kington87
Registered User
 
Kington87's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Columbus, OH
Country: United States
Posts: 292
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EspenK View Post
For someone who is just getting started on the board, you seem to be catching on quite quickly. In response to the best player available peeps, I am a big fan of the BO(ffensive)PA. While Seth Jones draws Pronger comparisons, MacKinnon has drawn Crosby comparisons most of his life. This team needs a Crosby much more than a Pronger in my opinion. Although in reality they probably could use both.
I can see this line of thinking - but I really think a lot of people are underestimating the impact Jones could have on this team. We have a lot if D prospects yes, but only Murray projects as a top pairing guy. IMO Johnson, Tyutin, Wiz, Nik, and all our other prospects top out on 2nd pairing on a great team and if we could have Murray, Jones as our top pairing this team could take a huge step forward.

Kington87 is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 01:20 PM
  #303
CBJFan19*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 317
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kington87 View Post
I can see this line of thinking - but I really think a lot of people are underestimating the impact Jones could have on this team. We have a lot if D prospects yes, but only Murray projects as a top pairing guy. IMO Johnson, Tyutin, Wiz, Nik, and all our other prospects top out on 2nd pairing on a great team and if we could have Murray, Jones as our top pairing this team could take a huge step forward.
So wheres the elite scoring going to come from? Still need to score to win and we dont have anybody that can be a consistant 30 goal guy IMO Nash was barley that the last 3 years so you're relying any of Cam, JAM, Johansen, Jenner or Chaput to be an elite scorer and at least as good as Nash if not better

CBJFan19* is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 01:42 PM
  #304
Cash for Nash
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,699
vCash: 500
[QUOTE=CBJFan19;58231077]So wheres the elite scoring going to come from? Still need to score to win and we dont have anybody that can be a consistant 30 goal guy IMO Nash was barley that the last 3 years so you're relying any of Cam, JAM, Johansen, Jenner or Chaput to be an elite scorer and at least as good as Nash if not better[/QUOT

Yep....I guess my worst case scenario would be another lackluster season where we don't do the following:

A. Make the playoffs
B. Don't suck bad enough to be in position to land: MacKinnon, Drouin, Jones, Monahan, Barkov, Shinkaruk, or Lindholm.

Don't get me wrong I want to win (that is the point) and I know its a deep draft and I know we have 3 1st rounders, and I know the importance of building a "winning culture" but to miss out on an elite winger/centerman this year for half a season of hockey would suck. This is our big chance to jumpstart this thing and we need to land a premier talent at the top of the draft. Along with keeping our other 1'sts.

Cash for Nash is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 03:23 PM
  #305
EspenK
Registered User
 
EspenK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,471
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JacketsFanWest View Post
MacKinnon has drawn Crosby comparisons because they are from the same town. Expectations are wayyy too high for MacKinnon. He's not Crosby 2.0. More like Tyler Seguin.
Oh, in that case I say pass.

EspenK is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 03:27 PM
  #306
Cash for Nash
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 1,699
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EspenK View Post
Oh, in that case I say pass.

No doubt....Tyler Seguin wouldn't be taken in the first round of this year's draft. It's that special of a class this year.

Cash for Nash is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 03:36 PM
  #307
EspenK
Registered User
 
EspenK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,471
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kington87 View Post
I can see this line of thinking - but I really think a lot of people are underestimating the impact Jones could have on this team. We have a lot if D prospects yes, but only Murray projects as a top pairing guy. IMO Johnson, Tyutin, Wiz, Nik, and all our other prospects top out on 2nd pairing on a great team and if we could have Murray, Jones as our top pairing this team could take a huge step forward.
Well you can only have one top pair, so if we have 6 #2 guys I think we will have a very solid D corps. If we draft #1 I definitely take MacKinnon (or some other forward if one passes him in the rankings). If we are lower and Jones is still available I don't know. Maybe trade down a spot or two and bolster the forwards corps a bit more.

My dream would be for the lines in a couple of years to look something like this:

2013 draft choice #2 -MacKinnon-Atkinson
2014 #1 pick- Joey- JAM or high draft choice
Foligno-Jenner-Arnisimov
Calvert-Dubinsky-Dorsett
Boll

Mix and match the D from Murray,Moore,Erixon,Johnson, Wis,Nikitin,Tyutin & Savard

To me that would be a playoff team and depending on how it jelled and how goaltending played out, a serious contender.

EspenK is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 05:07 PM
  #308
Xoggz22
Registered User
 
Xoggz22's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Country: United States
Posts: 4,403
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by georgiabluejacket View Post
Replace Drouin with Barkov though. Drouin is damn good, but Barkov is AMAZING!

If this was to happen(after I win the Mega Millions) I'd actually probably look at trading the #1(Jones) for a Lindros like trade package, making sure I got 2015 #1(McDavid) pick. Not that I don't like Jones(favorite player in this draft actually) but with our defensive depth we could stockpile picks/prospects for our dynasty. I mean what kind of package could we get from Edm. or NYI for Jones?
Obiously having the top 3 picks is about as close to impossible as it comes but to play along....

In your scenario, I pick McKinnon with the #1 and then trade the #2 pick. Or if Drouin or Barkov makes the jump to clear #1 I draft them and then trade the #2 as you suggest. Point is, control our fate. Do not trade the #1 assuming the team will pick the player we have 2nd on our board.

Regardless, I don't see the CBJ with the #1 overall pick.

Xoggz22 is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 05:18 PM
  #309
CBJFan19*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 317
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EspenK View Post
Well you can only have one top pair, so if we have 6 #2 guys I think we will have a very solid D corps. If we draft #1 I definitely take MacKinnon (or some other forward if one passes him in the rankings). If we are lower and Jones is still available I don't know. Maybe trade down a spot or two and bolster the forwards corps a bit more.

My dream would be for the lines in a couple of years to look something like this:

2013 draft choice #2 -MacKinnon-Atkinson
2014 #1 pick- Joey- JAM or high draft choice
Foligno-Jenner-Arnisimov
Calvert-Dubinsky-Dorsett
Boll

Mix and match the D from Murray,Moore,Erixon,Johnson, Wis,Nikitin,Tyutin & Savard

To me that would be a playoff team and depending on how it jelled and how goaltending played out, a serious contender.
no Chaput? RyJo?

CBJFan19* is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 05:20 PM
  #310
CBJFan19*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 317
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xoggz22 View Post
Obiously having the top 3 picks is about as close to impossible as it comes but to play along....

In your scenario, I pick McKinnon with the #1 and then trade the #2 pick. Or if Drouin or Barkov makes the jump to clear #1 I draft them and then trade the #2 as you suggest. Point is, control our fate. Do not trade the #1 assuming the team will pick the player we have 2nd on our board.

Regardless, I don't see the CBJ with the #1 overall pick.
i think i would be pretty happy with a top 6 pick
any (in order) would be awesome additions

MacKinnon
Barkov
Drouin
Mohanan
Jones
Lindholm

CBJFan19* is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 05:22 PM
  #311
Fro
Yes Cbus has hockey
 
Fro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Drinking With Carts
Country: United States
Posts: 15,984
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJFan19 View Post
no Chaput? RyJo?
Joey is RyJo

Fro is online now  
Old
01-24-2013, 09:27 PM
  #312
Sore Loser
HF Partner
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Spokane, WA.
Country: United States
Posts: 6,280
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by EspenK View Post
For someone who is just getting started on the board, you seem to be catching on quite quickly. In response to the best player available peeps, I am a big fan of the BO(ffensive)PA. While Seth Jones draws Pronger comparisons, MacKinnon has drawn Crosby comparisons most of his life. This team needs a Crosby much more than a Pronger in my opinion. Although in reality they probably could use both.
Quote:
Originally Posted by JacketsFanWest View Post
MacKinnon has drawn Crosby comparisons because they are from the same town. Expectations are wayyy too high for MacKinnon. He's not Crosby 2.0. More like Tyler Seguin.
This. Nathan MacKinnon won't be a 100 point player as a rookie, and may not be at any point in his career. What he could be is a solid first line player that consistently scores at better than a point/game. He's more of a shooter than Crosby was in junior, nowhere near as good of a skater, and doesn't have the same hockey sense or swagger.

I would really love to land him, as I really think he's the best forward in this draft. With that being said, a guy like Jonathan Drouin's stock is skyrocketing, and by the end of the year, this may not be the case.

We have to be realistic - we aren't likely going to have to incredibly high picks. First off, I think we're better than a few other teams in this league, and the team's play through two games should show up more often than not. This will lead to us being farther up the standings than everyone expects us to be - I don't honestly think it's out of the realm of possibility that we finish somewhere between 10-12 in the conference. Secondly, the New York Rangers are getting better with each game. I picked that team to win the Stanley Cup after the lockout was resolved ... seriously, they have star players and depth at every position. That pick will be in the twenties, I'd almost bet on it. Third, the LA Kings aren't a 30th overall team. They have started horribly. I don't think any of us are surprised by that start, knowing what we know, but at some point, it will come to fruition that they are a better team than most in this league, and that will result in some wins.

Our greatest hope for high picks is that the Jackets pick is a top-10 pick, and the Kings pick does the same. If one of those wins us the lottery, we will be in darn good shape ... but, even so, picking three times in this year's first round could land us three potential top-6 forwards.

Sore Loser is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 11:30 PM
  #313
CBJFan19*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 317
vCash: 500
am i the only one starting to warm up to liking Drouin over MacKinnon?

CBJFan19* is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 11:35 PM
  #314
candyman82
Registered User
 
candyman82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Fredericksburg, VA
Posts: 2,567
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJFan19 View Post
am i the only one starting to warm up to liking Drouin over MacKinnon?
Probably not, but I would take MacKinnon over Drouin every day of the week and twice on Sunday

candyman82 is online now  
Old
01-24-2013, 11:35 PM
  #315
Mayor Bee
\/me_____you\/
 
Mayor Bee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 15,405
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJFan19 View Post
am i the only one starting to warm up to liking Drouin over MacKinnon?
I try to find patterns.

And I think that, based on CBJ draft patterns since 2009, the team would pick Drouin over MacKinnon if the draft were held today, tomorrow, in June, or last October.

Mayor Bee is online now  
Old
01-24-2013, 11:36 PM
  #316
CBJFan19*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 317
vCash: 500
would anybody trade our own first for RoR from Colorado?

CBJFan19* is offline  
Old
01-24-2013, 11:39 PM
  #317
CBJFan19*
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 317
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by candyman82 View Post
Probably not, but I would take MacKinnon over Drouin every day of the week and twice on Sunday
based on what? see i think Drouin was just a late bloomer and finally comming into his own potential

in 6 less games this year has 2 more assist and only 4 less goals so 2 point diffrence since you figure someone scored for him to get those assist, they are the same size, i think Drouin is a bit more athletic and more of a playmaker while MacKinnon is a little more of a scorer

CBJFan19* is offline  
Old
01-25-2013, 01:02 AM
  #318
Sore Loser
HF Partner
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Spokane, WA.
Country: United States
Posts: 6,280
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by candyman82 View Post
Probably not, but I would take MacKinnon over Drouin every day of the week and twice on Sunday
Agreed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJFan19 View Post
would anybody trade our own first for RoR from Colorado?
No, as I think we can land a better player with a potentially top-10 pick this year.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJFan19 View Post
based on what? see i think Drouin was just a late bloomer and finally comming into his own potential

in 6 less games this year has 2 more assist and only 4 less goals so 2 point diffrence since you figure someone scored for him to get those assist, they are the same size, i think Drouin is a bit more athletic and more of a playmaker while MacKinnon is a little more of a scorer
MacKinnon projects as a better professional player, plain and simple. It's like the Yakupov/Galchenyuk argument last year ... yes, Yakupov was/is the better player now (as Drouin may very well be in junior), but I personally believe that Galchenyuk will be a better pro than Yakupov, as MacKinnon will be than Drouin. It's a style thing.

Sore Loser is offline  
Old
01-25-2013, 01:04 AM
  #319
CBJWennberg41
Me when I watch CBJ
 
CBJWennberg41's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 14,906
vCash: 500
LA loses again(OT) and so does the NYR. With us sinking like rocks, think they can sink with us?

CBJWennberg41 is offline  
Old
01-25-2013, 08:28 AM
  #320
alphafox
Registered User
 
alphafox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 1,060
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by CBJBrassard16 View Post
LA loses again(OT) and so does the NYR. With us sinking like rocks, think they can sink with us?
I know its a joke but i can see LA dropping out if the playoffs. With green out fir the year and gagne/penner in regular season form i can see quick having to face better chances while the offense continues to struggle. Add in to that the improved west (the wild, avs, and oil for example) and we could see the kings closer to us than the top of the west.

alphafox is online now  
Old
01-25-2013, 08:56 AM
  #321
EspenK
Registered User
 
EspenK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,471
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sore Loser View Post
This. Nathan MacKinnon won't be a 100 point player as a rookie, and may not be at any point in his career. What he could be is a solid first line player that consistently scores at better than a point/game. He's more of a shooter than Crosby was in junior, nowhere near as good of a skater, and doesn't have the same hockey sense or swagger.

I would really love to land him, as I really think he's the best forward in this draft. With that being said, a guy like Jonathan Drouin's stock is skyrocketing, and by the end of the year, this may not be the case.

We have to be realistic - we aren't likely going to have to incredibly high picks. First off, I think we're better than a few other teams in this league, and the team's play through two games should show up more often than not. This will lead to us being farther up the standings than everyone expects us to be - I don't honestly think it's out of the realm of possibility that we finish somewhere between 10-12 in the conference. Secondly, the New York Rangers are getting better with each game. I picked that team to win the Stanley Cup after the lockout was resolved ... seriously, they have star players and depth at every position. That pick will be in the twenties, I'd almost bet on it. Third, the LA Kings aren't a 30th overall team. They have started horribly. I don't think any of us are surprised by that start, knowing what we know, but at some point, it will come to fruition that they are a better team than most in this league, and that will result in some wins.

Our greatest hope for high picks is that the Jackets pick is a top-10 pick, and the Kings pick does the same. If one of those wins us the lottery, we will be in darn good shape ... but, even so, picking three times in this year's first round could land us three potential top-6 forwards.
Were you temporarily possessed by the spirit of (fill in your favorite pma'er)?

Upon further review you said "in the conference" Still a bit optimistic imo but better than 10-12 in the league that my caffeine deprived brain registered the first time.

EspenK is offline  
Old
01-25-2013, 08:57 AM
  #322
Paisano*
Jury is still out...
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Country: United States
Posts: 1,384
vCash: 500
It will be interesting to see how JD handles this draft with the three firsts. With the short season and the poor starts by LA and the Rags, it's possible we could end up with three high picks, I know it's early but ya never know. Howsons comment last year that he wouldn't have taken Yakupov just shows why we suck so bad now. The thought that he would be in charge of our three picks would be a depressing thought for sure. JD's firing of Howson would be a great lead in to next year, we can only hope!

Paisano* is offline  
Old
01-25-2013, 09:52 AM
  #323
Stretch Factor
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 639
vCash: 500
As much as I'd like to see LA and NYR miss the playoffs, I'm not expecting it.

I'm hopeful we'll get a top 5 pick, a top 15 pick, a top 25 pick, and a 2nd rounder in the 35 range.
With those four picks I'd like to see us come away with (in no order):
1. solid playmaking center
2. a power forward winger (6'2"/220lbs)
3. a big shutdown defender who can skate (6'4"+) .
4. another Boone Jenner type. (someone who eats thunder and craps lighting)

Stretch Factor is offline  
Old
01-25-2013, 09:55 AM
  #324
EspenK
Registered User
 
EspenK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 6,471
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stretch Factor View Post
As much as I'd like to see LA and NYR miss the playoffs, I'm not expecting it.

I'm hopeful we'll get a top 5 pick, a top 15 pick, a top 25 pick, and a 2nd rounder in the 35 range.
With those four picks I'd like to see us come away with (in no order):
1. solid playmaking center
2. a power forward winger (6'2"/220lbs)
3. a big shutdown defender who can skate (6'4"+) .
4. another Boone Jenner type. (someone who eats thunder and craps lighting)
Mine:

1- guy who can score
2- guy who can score
3- guy who can score
4- guy who can score

EspenK is offline  
Old
01-25-2013, 10:20 AM
  #325
Kev22
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Plain City, OH
Country: United States
Posts: 3,458
vCash: 500
It's pretty obvious that all three picks will be used for offense. The defense is pretty well stocked. My dream would be for the Jackets to get #1 overall, the Rags and Kings tank and JD somehow uses their top ten picks to trade up to the #2 spot. Jackets get #1 and #2 and draft MacKinnon and Drouin.

Kev22 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:52 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.