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11-06-2012, 03:37 AM
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So........Dec 1st

Should the NHL and fehrs brainwashed monsters come to an agreement on the 1st of December, what would the flyers currently look like with their injury problems on D.

Possibly

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek(?)
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Briere - Couturier - Talbot
Feds - Z - Rinaldo

Timonen - Schenn
Coburn - Grossman
Gustaffson - Gervais/Bourdon


Who else is currently injured on the flyers blue line?

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11-06-2012, 06:42 AM
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that defensive 3rd pairing will give me a heart attack

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11-06-2012, 07:17 AM
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Should the NHL and fehrs brainwashed monsters come to an agreement on the 1st of December, what would the flyers currently look like with their injury problems on D.

Possibly

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek(?)
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Briere - Couturier - Talbot
Feds - Z - Rinaldo

Timonen - Schenn
Coburn - Grossman
Gustaffson - Gervais/Bourdon


Who else is currently injured on the flyers blue line?
Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Briere-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Talbot
Fedotenko-Holmstrom-Wellwood
Rinaldo

Coburn-Grossman
Timonen-Schenn
Gus-Gervais/Bourdon

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11-06-2012, 07:42 AM
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Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Briere-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Talbot
Fedotenko-Holmstrom-Wellwood
Rinaldo

Coburn-Grossman
Timonen-Schenn
Gus-Gervais/Bourdon
This looks right. Not sure about MAB at the moment. He seems to be struggling. That may mean nothing later. He could go back to the bottom pairing and be fine.

I root for MAB, but I wouldn't mind seeing Manning given a shot.

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11-06-2012, 08:23 AM
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Although Meszaros shouldn't miss much time so the D will look less suspect.

Coburn-Grossman
Meszaros-Schenn
Timonen-Gus

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11-06-2012, 09:57 AM
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The shortened season ..if we have one seems to be what the Flyers need b/c right now neither Bryz (for whatever excuse) nor the D men down with the Phantoms are doing too well...

Reading about how our D prospects are performing so far (not in optimal form) was not encouraging but it's early and they have to learn Murray's style...

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Phantoms head coach Terry Murray is a big believer in making team defense the top priority. That applies to the forwards as well as the defensemen. Even so, it inevitably the defensemen and the goaltenders who take the brunt of the heat whenever a team has a mediocre goals against average.

The Phantoms put forth a strong all-around effort in Saturday's 4-0 win over the Albany Devils. Hopefully, that's a sign that the 4-5-0 team is starting to settle in to Murray's system and the players sent down from the NHL have shifted their focus from the status of the NHL lockout to the job they have at hand in the American Hockey League.

In seven of the eight games that preceded Saturday's shutout, the Phantoms were not very good defensively. And, yes, the blueline corps deserved its share of the blame. There was a lot of questionable decision making, with and without the puck. Breakouts weren't crisp. Coverages were spotty as too many opposing attackers had free reign to get to the scoring areas without paying a price.

On top of that, the Phantoms defensemen with offensive skills weren't helping out very much on the struggling power play. At even strength, they weren't consistently making good decisions about when to join the rush or when to pinch on the forecheck.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...-More/45/47387

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11-06-2012, 11:38 AM
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Should the NHL and fehrs brainwashed monsters come to an agreement on the 1st of December, what would the flyers currently look like with their injury problems on D.

Possibly

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek(?)
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Briere - Couturier - Talbot
Feds - Z - Rinaldo

Timonen - Schenn
Coburn - Grossman
Gustaffson - Gervais/Bourdon


Who else is currently injured on the flyers blue line?
If the question mark besides Voracek is because of his injury, I believe he either played or was supposed to play in the last day or so... If it was about his being on the First Line, never-mind.

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11-06-2012, 12:03 PM
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Voracek is back with his team overseas. scored a goal over the weekend.

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11-06-2012, 12:07 PM
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Have there been any updates on Mez? I remember he was being optimistic during the summer saying he could be back by November.

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Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek
Briere-Schenn-Simmonds
Read-Couturier-Talbot
Fedotenko-Holmstrom-Wellwood
Rinaldo

Coburn-Grossman
Timonen-Schenn
Gus-Gervais/Bourdon
Fedotenko has been playing Center in the KHL for an extended period of time now, shouldering a big load - even top line minutes at times. In 15 games so far he put up a FO% 53.4 which is also encouraging.
He would be a good choice as 4th line center. I think Holmstrom has been moved to wing with the Phantoms this season, not to mention that he never looked like an NHL regular anyways so he probablywon't make the roster.

Most hockey fans seem to think that Braydon Schenn should play center but the organization and even T. Murray seem to prefer playing him on the wing.

As far as defense is concerned I think that Gus/Gervais/Bourdon/Manning can hold the fort until Mesz is ready to play again. If he suffers a setback or someone else of the regulars goes down for a longer period they may be in big trouble though.

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Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Talbot - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Fedotenko - Wellwood?

Giroux and Briere have been playing together for a while now in Germany, I reckon that the plan would be to slide Briere onto his wing. It's probably time for Danny to move away from the center position anyway and let Schenn learn how to play center. I've also been a little bit skeptical the Hartnell-Giroux-Voracek line combo that many are assuming to be assembled will be effective on a consistent basis.

Something about the roster seems a little... thin. Seems like we could use a veteran goalscoring LW, and another vet 4th line PK specialist because I'm not confident Wellwood/Holmstrom are going to be effective at the NHL level. Wellwood has nice speed but we could use a more diverse role player. Also, I think Rinaldo is a very underrated player.

Of course, the D is also very scary, though a shortened season for Timo will be a very positive thing, and may even extend his career another year.

In summation: this is an incomplete roster. I'd feel better if Bryzgalov were able to shut the door. We don't have assets to acquire a D or another skilled forward. Somehow I feel Cousins/Laughton may not be in the system very long... and the next five 2nd round picks, but that goes without saying.

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11-06-2012, 12:42 PM
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Have there been any updates on Mez? I remember he was being optimistic during the summer saying he could be back by November.
im sure Holmgren said he is "fine" at some point recently

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11-06-2012, 01:36 PM
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Hartnell - Giroux - Briere
Simmonds - Schenn - Voracek
Talbot - Couturier - Read
Rinaldo - Fedotenko - Wellwood?
I like this.

Does anyone think Couturier will center Schenn on a line, maybe with Simmonds?

Defensively, I like Manning more than MAB, and I'd prefer to see Gus/Manning hold down the third pairing and let Gervais be the 7th.

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Should the NHL and fehrs brainwashed monsters come to an agreement on the 1st of December
No editorial here.

How about "if both sides would pull their heads from their *****"? Jesus, if you hate the players that much, why do you care if they ever return?

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That 3rd pairing makes me wonder how Mez is doing. For our sake I hope he is better. Does anyone have any info on him?

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No editorial here.

How about "if both sides would pull their heads from their *****"? Jesus, if you hate the players that much, why do you care if they ever return?
He wants to see the owners skate around out there. Come on now, who doesnt want to see Snider go for the ol hip check and throw it out midway

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Should the NHL and fehrs brainwashed monsters come to an agreement on the 1st of December, what would the flyers currently look like with their injury problems on D.

Possibly

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek(?)
Read - Schenn - Simmonds
Briere - Couturier - Talbot
Feds - Z - Rinaldo

Timonen - Schenn
Coburn - Grossman
Gustaffson - Gervais/Bourdon


Who else is currently injured on the flyers blue line?

Hartnell - G - Voracek (seems to be the consensus)
Briere - Couturier - Schenn
Read - Talbot - Simmonds
Rinaldo - Fedotenko - Wellwood

Coburn - Schenn
Grossmann - Meszaros*
Timonen - Gus

*Assuming mez is healthy

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Do we have the cap space for an upgrade like that?

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that defensive 3rd pairing will give me a heart attack
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I like the idea of having Briere on the top line. He had chemistry with Hartnell before and now has chemistry with Giroux. We also need a line to shut down other team's top lines and it has to include Couturier. I see somthing like this...

Hartnell-Giroux-Briere
Read-Schenn-Voracek
Talbot-Couturier-Simmonds
Rinaldo-Fedotenko-Wellwood
Sestito

As for the D, if we don't make any moves we will have to go with this until Mez is back...

Coburn-Grossman
Timmonen-Gus
Gervais/Manning/Bourdon-Schenn

Once Mez is back you can pair him with Gus or Schenn.

As for the goalies, God help us!

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Do we have the cap space for an upgrade like that?
ppphhhhffttt !!!!


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No editorial here.

How about "if both sides would pull their heads from their *****"? Jesus, if you hate the players that much, why do you care if they ever return?
I couldn't care less if the players returned. I have to watch the british league. I am a fan of the flyers as a team, not the players. I couldn't give a toss who plays for the team. I would be just as happy seeing replacements win the cup for the flyers as I would seeing the players themselves.

I love this place sometimes, You can only have an opinion if it's the same as yours.

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I couldn't care less if the players returned. I have to watch the british league. I am a fan of the flyers as a team, not the players. I couldn't give a toss who plays for the team. I would be just as happy seeing replacements win the cup for the flyers as I would seeing the players themselves.

I love this place sometimes, You can only have an opinion if it's the same as yours.
You wouldn't MUCH rather see the Flyers with the cup with NHL players than with non-NHL players? Is that what you are saying. Sure everyone's entitled to their opinion... But that is one horrible opinion.

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Have there been any updates on Mez?
Mez's injury was mentioned (below) in a Toronto Sun article a couple week ago:
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/23...l-cuts-his-pay

in the Notes at the end of the article:

Philadelphia Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren expects that defenceman Andrej Meszaros, who tore an Achilles tendon in August, will be ready to play in December. Meszaros, 27, is out of his walking boot and doing rehab, Holmgren told CSN Philadelphia ...

As much as the Flyers need him, given they had the worst defense in the league last year with him, without him will be a disaster, I hope he /they don't rush him back. Typical rehab, 100% recovered for a torn Achilles tendor is usually 6 mos. I was okay with the original estimate of March. An Achilles tear is not something you want to screw around with. They need him healthy for the playoffs.

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Mez's injury was mentioned (below) in a Toronto Sun article a couple week ago:
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/10/23...l-cuts-his-pay

in the Notes at the end of the article:

Philadelphia Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren expects that defenceman Andrej Meszaros, who tore an Achilles tendon in August, will be ready to play in December. Meszaros, 27, is out of his walking boot and doing rehab, Holmgren told CSN Philadelphia ...

As much as the Flyers need him, given they had the worst defense in the league last year with him, without him will be a disaster, I hope he /they don't rush him back. Typical rehab, 100% recovered for a torn Achilles tendor is usually 6 mos. I was okay with the original estimate of March. An Achilles tear is not something you want to screw around with. They need him healthy for the playoffs.
I hope they don't screw this up. Don't rush him and just let him totally heal.

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