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06-22-2012, 06:56 PM
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Is the Blue Jacket defense a finished product?

Just curious, with the drafting of Murray, is our defense now in place for the next 5-10 years? Do we need any serious upgrades? Any major flaws?

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06-22-2012, 07:01 PM
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I think the defense has major flaws in that there are way to many offensive minded guys now. I think we need to get rid of Wisniewski and replace him with a defensive defender, we will see, but I think we need to add someone mean back there.

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Just curious, with the drafting of Murray, is our defense now in place for the next 5-10 years? Do we need any serious upgrades? Any major flaws?
I move one of Moore or Savard for forward help. It's somewhat difficult to bring along and get proper ice time for 3 young defensemen.

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Just curious, with the drafting of Murray, is our defense now in place for the next 5-10 years? Do we need any serious upgrades? Any major flaws?
We thought we had a set defense right after the playoff season too.... I'm not rubber-stamping anything as a certainty at defense yet.

We certainly have several long term contracts there, I hope you are right, because if not, we are in trouble.

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We thought we had a set defense right after the playoff season too.... I'm not rubber-stamping anything as a certainty at defense yet.

We certainly have several long term contracts there, I hope you are right, because if not, we are in trouble.
To be fair, that defense was anchored by a rapidly aging Jan Hedja and a career year from Mike Commodore. Don't think Johnson is going to decline any time soon, and Murray should only get better.

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06-22-2012, 07:34 PM
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Wiz signed till 2017, Toots and JMFJ till 2018, Methot till 2015. The rest of the defense is on the ELC. I suppose we are set for at least 6 years.

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I think the defense has major flaws in that there are way to many offensive minded guys now. I think we need to get rid of Wisniewski and replace him with a defensive defender, we will see, but I think we need to add someone mean back there.
No doubt....We need a hammer (like Reinhardt, Trouba)

We play against the freaking blues, wings hawks etc. They are physical in front.

Murray is the anti Filatov, Zherdev. Smash...no....dash....no. Big shot..no

But he is NHL ready I guess and the bust risk is low. So he should at least be a regular.

I don't blame the CBJ really. Been burnt enough times, time to play it SAFE.

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06-22-2012, 07:51 PM
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Very hard to say anything is set in the NHL for more than a year or two. Nikitin is not yet signed.
Methot might be traded.
Murray might be the next Rusty Klesla.
Moore might not pan out.
Savard might continue filling his skates with concrete.

Who knows what can happen in the future, but this is by far the best D-corps we've ever had, on paper at least.

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Murray can dash for a defenseman. One of the best skaters in the draft period. And he can move people. He won't smash, or shoot hard, but he'll be a great defensive defenseman and good puck mover.

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I move one of Moore or Savard for forward help. It's somewhat difficult to bring along and get proper ice time for 3 young defensemen.
I'd move Tyutin. He should net us a defensive blue liner +. We need a guy like Brooks Orpik to complete the defense.

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They're going to have to trade at least one of them. I get the whole "net on out" argument, but 1) even after trading for another goalie today, the net situation is far from certain, even if our D isn't too shabby now and 2) there is no way that Nash is coming back next season, which means we have basically nothing for offense. Combine this with the fact that under the best of circumstances this team struggles to develop players (being nice here), if you've got say 4 guys who are competing for 2 spots, someone's development will be stunted by mathematics if nothing else.

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Maybe not "finished," but it is damn nice to have some tangible depth in the backend.

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06-22-2012, 08:14 PM
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Very hard to say anything is set in the NHL for more than a year or two. Nikitin is not yet signed.
Methot might be traded.
Murray might be the next Rusty Klesla.
Moore might not pan out.
Savard might continue filling his skates with concrete.

Who knows what can happen in the future, but this is by far the best D-corps we've ever had, on paper at least.
True....

I think we can say our forwards though (post nash, post draft now will be)

Hope for a good return....a really good return.

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06-22-2012, 08:23 PM
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Please trade Methot now.

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We shall lose all of our games 2-1 now. Assuming Bob is better than Mason and assuming we go into the season with our current lineup.

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OK, the Hawks got the guy I wanted. Now to hope Subban slides to us at 30-31

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I think that while the D, as now constucted, is better than anything we have ever had, I'd like a physical guy like lee suggested (Brooks Orpik) or someone of the same mindset. I guess Wiz can be physical as long as he is not in Shanahan's crosshairs.

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Nothing has changed from my impression in the off season. This pick may not have any impact for next season and possibly next season. I don't see how this impacts anything as makes us "set" for anything.

How did we even come up with that thought process?

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I think that while the D, as now constucted, is better than anything we have ever had, I'd like a physical guy like lee suggested (Brooks Orpik) or someone of the same mindset. I guess Wiz can be physical as long as he is not in Shanahan's crosshairs.
Word is Hjalmarsson is available, he fit the bill for people? He's much more physical than Methot, but definitely less mobile.

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Nothing has changed from my impression in the off season. This pick may not have any impact for next season and possibly next season. I don't see how this impacts anything as makes us "set" for anything.

How did we even come up with that thought process?
Funny enough, I was going to ask you the same question.

When I mean set, I mean, is the core there? Sure, there may be some rearranging on the bottom pairing from season to season, but it seems that a core of:

Johnson-Murray
Tyutin-Nikitin

is an extremely solid, set core for the future. Ideally, Moore will be able to step into a top 4 role when Tyutin starts to decline, or Nik fails. But it sure seems that we have a very good 1-2 punch in defense for the next 10 years.

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06-23-2012, 12:09 AM
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Funny enough, I was going to ask you the same question.

When I mean set, I mean, is the core there? Sure, there may be some rearranging on the bottom pairing from season to season, but it seems that a core of:

Johnson-Murray
Tyutin-Nikitin

is an extremely solid, set core for the future. Ideally, Moore will be able to step into a top 4 role when Tyutin starts to decline, or Nik fails. But it sure seems that we have a very good 1-2 punch in defense for the next 10 years.
Why are you slotting Murray into anything yet? Especially next to Johnson. What happened to Wiz? Slotting Johnson with Wiz is downright scary. Nikitin had one partial year of success and we are already slotting him in for the next decade? I'm am not impressed with our play in the defensive zone, even if our transition is better.

I love how we are talking about players over the next 10 years. That's amusing.

For the next year or two, at a minimum, this pick could very well mean nothing. Since I don't like our current makeup and I'm not counting on Murray to make a true impact for the next two+ years, that would seem to imply that I don't think we should be done yet.

Is this a finished product? Hell no. People are putting the cart well before the horse here.

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Very hard to say anything is set in the NHL for more than a year or two. Nikitin is not yet signed.
Methot might be traded.
Murray might be the next Rusty Klesla.
Moore might not pan out.
Savard might continue filling his skates with concrete.

Who knows what can happen in the future, but this is by far the best D-corps we've ever had, on paper at least.
I do think Murray will be a KLesla replacement but better... As Blah said not much will change this season but next year Methot will be gone. As for our many offensive defenseman the heat is on Moore....

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Maybe not "finished," but it is damn nice to have some tangible depth in the backend.

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You guys have the pieces, but it has to mesh.

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You guys have the pieces, but it has to mesh.
Agreed. Which is why I hope Howson isn't in too big of a rush to trade defensemen this summer. I'd like to go into the season seeing what we have and what works then go from there. Then again I'm not expecting playoffs next season so I'm willing to wait. Howson probably is, so it would probably make more sense for him to trade someone this summer for a forward and hope he chose the right dman to trade.
I don't think its a finished product, but it might be good enough that it only requires polishing and no more heavy lifting. Again though, its better to go into the season and see what we really have as opposed to what we have on paper. The defense is now young and there's some real talent. Hopefully thats a good sign for the future.

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