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Summer Prospect Poll 2012: #1

View Poll Results: Summer 2012 Poll, #1
Joel Armia (RW) 5 6.58%
Daniel Catenacci (C) 0 0%
Marcus Foligno (LW) 5 6.58%
Jerome Gauthier-Leduc (D) 0 0%
Zemgus Girgensons (C) 3 3.95%
Mikhail Grigorenko (C) 61 80.26%
Brayden McNabb (D) 0 0%
Mark Pysyk (D) 2 2.63%
Kevin Sundher (C) 0 0%
Corey Tropp (RW) 0 0%
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08-08-2012, 08:39 AM
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08-08-2012, 08:53 AM
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Im sure Grigorenko will run away with this one...

but how exciting is to have some serious debate about the next 5 or 6 guys? it's been waaaay too long...

Armia, Girgensons, McNabb, Adam, Foligno, Pysyk.... i think you could make legitimate arguments about any of these guys for the next few spots...

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That is a tasty collection of players. Just daydreaming of what happens if Catennaci or McCabe really take off this season and push themselves into that group.

It appears Grigs is giving the rest of the field a well-deserved bird here.

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IMO Grigs edgest out armia, but it is close, with Grigs' higher ceiling, but also higher chance of busting

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This one is easy. I'm interested to see how 2-6 pans out. Armia should def take number 2. After that it's a really tough call.

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Is Luke adam still a "prospect"? Not that he would be voted for awhile
He hit the games threshold (71 games played, cutoff is 65)


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should conduct this poll after training camp. I have a feeling we won't be nominating grigorenko in a landslide.
Eh, now that they have a legitimate developmental camp, which they didn't a few years ago, there's no real point in waiting until September. As others have said, what can happen in TC to change your mind on Grigorenko, one way or the other, at this point?


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I'm surprised by the love for Brennan among the nominations. He's about to enter MAG territory -- 4th year pro who still has some holes in his game. McCabe's potential at this point seems like it should easily trump what we've seen and can project from TJ. Eh, to each his own I suppose.

Eh, I don't think Brennan's holes are as deep or pervasive as Gragnani's, not a great comparison IMO (maybe Paetsch is a closer comparison). I still think Brennan's on track to potentially be an NHL player, though it may not be in this organization.

Grigorenko is my pick, Brennan is my add.

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08-08-2012, 09:29 AM
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im leaning Armia at #2... but then Foligno vs McNabb vs Girgensons is a complete toss up. i might just pull names out of the hat

(also surprised by all the Brennan adds)

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He hit the games threshold (71 games played, cutoff is 65)




Eh, now that they have a legitimate developmental camp, which they didn't a few years ago, there's no real point in waiting until September. As others have said, what can happen in TC to change your mind on Grigorenko, one way or the other, at this point?





Eh, I don't think Brennan's holes are as deep or pervasive as Gragnani's, not a great comparison IMO (maybe Paetsch is a closer comparison). I still think Brennan's on track to potentially be an NHL player, though it may not be in this organization.

Grigorenko is my pick, Brennan is my add.
Yet is Brennan's overall development and potential proximity to his ceiling more appealing than the new pick smell of McCabe's game? I can't see Brennan getting much past a Paetsch/MAG stage at this point in his career. McCabe's still got the potential to be a top 4 d-man in the NHL when he's done with his development. *shrug*

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Eh, now that they have a legitimate developmental camp, which they didn't a few years ago, there's no real point in waiting until September. As others have said, what can happen in TC to change your mind on Grigorenko, one way or the other, at this point?
Men v. boys! In development camp, he just played against mostly kids out of juniors.

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Yet is Brennan's overall development and potential proximity to his ceiling more appealing than the new pick smell of McCabe's game? I can't see Brennan getting much past a Paetsch/MAG stage at this point in his career. McCabe's still got the potential to be a top 4 d-man in the NHL when he's done with his development. *shrug*
I thought Brennan was servicable when called up and still think he could play in the NHL, but his ceiling won't be reached and the excitement of his game has lost it's luster. At best, we could hope for a #5/6 guy that gets PP time.

McCabe is much more intriguing. I was pleasently surprised by what he showed at dev camp and see lots of potential there.

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I thought Brennan was servicable when called up and still think he could play in the NHL, but his ceiling won't be reached and the excitement of his game has lost it's luster. At best, we could hope for a #5/6 guy that gets PP time.

McCabe is much more intriguing. I was pleasently surprised by what he showed at dev camp and see lots of potential there.
My understanding was that McCabe had a rough dev camp, no?

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Men v. boys! In development camp, he just played against mostly kids out of juniors.
If he shows that he's not ready to play professionally in camp, they'll send him back to juniors and he'll still undoubtedly be Buffalo's top prospect because his ceiling is so high.

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My understanding was that McCabe had a rough dev camp, no?
I wasn't there for as much as I wanted to be, but when I saw him I liked him a lot.

Definitely had some rough spots, but I think that's expected for a guys first camp.

I think he was paired with Pysyk mostly, so I don't know if Pysyk made him look better or they meshed well together.

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Went with Foligno. Upside is great, but we've already seen what Marcus can bring to this team, and for that reason he shoots to no. 1 for me.

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im leaning Armia at #2... but then Foligno vs McNabb vs Girgensons is a complete toss up. i might just pull names out of the hat

(also surprised by all the Brennan adds)

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Yup. All three of those guys bring something this team currently lacks. They are all considered safe picks, too.

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Men v. boys! In development camp, he just played against mostly kids out of juniors.
Most of the guys in developmental camp were older than Grigorenko.



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im leaning Armia at #2... but then Foligno vs McNabb vs Girgensons is a complete toss up. i might just pull names out of the hat

(also surprised by all the Brennan adds)

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IMO, Armia should win the #2 spot fairly convincingly. I'd probably go Girgensons, McNabb, Foligno in that order for the next three spots with McNabb and Foligno as interchangeable. I know you aren't crazy about Pysyk but he's a candidate starting at #5, IMO. I don't think he belongs any lower than 6. Either way, this is going to be one of the more amusing set of polls in a while.

My top 10 would be

1. Grigorenko
2. Armia
3. Girgensons
4. McNabb
5. Foligno
6. Pysyk
7. Gauthier-Leduc
8. Catenacci
9. Tropp
10. Sundher

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Most of the guys in developmental camp were older than Grigorenko.





IMO, Armia should win the #2 spot fairly convincingly. I'd probably go Girgensons, McNabb, Foligno in that order for the next three spots with McNabb and Foligno as interchangeable. I know you aren't crazy about Pysyk but he's a candidate starting at #5, IMO. I don't think he belongs any lower than 6. Either way, this is going to be one of the more amusing set of polls in a while.

My top 10 would be

1. Grigorenko
2. Armia
3. Girgensons
4. McNabb
5. Foligno
6. Pysyk
7. Gauthier-Leduc
8. Catenacci
9. Tropp
10. Sundher
for now... my top 10

1. Grigorenko
2. Armia
3. McNabb
4. Foligno
5. Girgensons
6. Pysyk
7. Gauthier-Leduc
8. Tropp
9. McCabe
10. Catenacci

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Re: Brennan adds

I don't think it's that big of a stretch to say he is in the 10ish range. He looked decent in his callups defensively...while I certainly see arguments for others when it comes to ranking them I'm not as big on when they get added. McCabe, Ullmark, Brennan...they're all going to be on the poll well before they get consideration, so I'll worry about how I rank them when we get there. Just get their names on the polls and go from there.


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IMO, Armia should win the #2 spot fairly convincingly. I'd probably go Girgensons, McNabb, Foligno in that order for the next three spots with McNabb and Foligno as interchangeable. I know you aren't crazy about Pysyk but he's a candidate starting at #5, IMO. I don't think he belongs any lower than 6. Either way, this is going to be one of the more amusing set of polls in a while.

My top 10 would be

1. Grigorenko
2. Armia
3. Girgensons
4. McNabb
5. Foligno
6. Pysyk
7. Gauthier-Leduc
8. Catenacci
9. Tropp
10. Sundher
I think Armia is a lock for #2 as well. Highest potential of those left, plus he's not far from the NHL either--he'll either make the team out of camp in 2013 or he'll spend very short time in the AHL. So basically on both barometers of prospect ranking (potential vs NHL readyness), he's right near the top.

3 is going to be very interesting between Girgs, McNabb, Foligno, and Pysyk though. Pysyk should not be left out of the discussion there, he's a legitimate top prospect in this organization. I see top pairing potential in him.

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Men v. boys! In development camp, he just played against mostly kids out of juniors.
Not entirely true. I think I'd feel comfortable in saying Hodgson, Foligno, McNabb, and Tropp at least are pretty tough competition physically. And even if he's not strong enough or well-conditioned enough for the NHL this year, that's not going to change the fact that his ceiling is highest of all our prospects.

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Voted Grigorenko based on ceiling.

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I'm surprised by the love for Brennan among the nominations. He's about to enter MAG territory -- 4th year pro who still has some holes in his game. McCabe's potential at this point seems like it should easily trump what we've seen and can project from TJ. Eh, to each his own I suppose.
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Re: Brennan adds

I don't think it's that big of a stretch to say he is in the 10ish range. He looked decent in his callups defensively...while I certainly see arguments for others when it comes to ranking them I'm not as big on when they get added. McCabe, Ullmark, Brennan...they're all going to be on the poll well before they get consideration, so I'll worry about how I rank them when we get there. Just get their names on the polls and go from there.
Eh, I like to try adding guys in the order I think they slot later on. *shrug* Brennan's going to get support, that's fine.


As for top 10:

1 - Grigorenko
2 - Armia
3 - Girgensons
4 - McNabb
5 - Foligno
6 - Pysyk
7 - Tropp
8 - Gauthier-Leduc
9 - Catenacci
10 - McCabe

Three-six are all a jumble. 7-10 are as well.

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