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08-08-2012, 12:20 PM
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I think Hagelin and Stepan will be relied upon more heavily this year.
Hagelin's speed could very well lead to a good amount of SH goals, by allowing him to chase down cleared pucks

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08-08-2012, 12:26 PM
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I think Hagelin and Stepan will be relied upon more heavily this year.
I agree with this.

I think that Hagelin is going to be a lot better than people expect.

I think the pace he scored at last year is very much a possibility of what we can expect from him going forward.

Truth be told, I think his play forces Kreider to the 3rd line.

I like Hagelin alot

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08-08-2012, 12:30 PM
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Because he's a terrible skater. A center has to cover more space than a winger. A center is supposed to distribute the puck in the offensive zone, and has more defensive responsibilities than a winger. Because his skating is bad, I think he'd be better served at wing, where he has to skate less.
His skating has been fine, especially since he worked with Underhill. He played a lot of minutes against the best players in the league for one of the best defensive teams in the league. If his skating was an issue, he wouldnt have been in that role.

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08-08-2012, 12:31 PM
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I agree with this.

I think that Hagelin is going to be a lot better than people expect.

I think the pace he scored at last year is very much a possibility of what we can expect from him going forward.

Truth be told, I think his play forces Kreider to the 3rd line.

I like Hagelin alot
I couldnt disagree with you more. I like Hagelin too, but I think anyone expecting consistent offensive contributions from him are going to be sorely disappointed.

I think Kreider forces Hagelin down to the 3rd line most nights.

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08-08-2012, 12:35 PM
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I couldnt disagree with you more. I like Hagelin too, but I think anyone expecting consistent offensive contributions from him are going to be sorely disappointed.

I think Kreider forces Hagelin down to the 3rd line most nights.
I think Hagelin is the 7th F and a very good one at that. Give him more PK duties this yr and have him go up and down the line up if need be.

I just think Kreider has the offensive tools to score a ton in his rookie yr with Gabby, Richards, Nash, Cally, Stepan rounding it out.

Not a knock on Hags but he was projected as a fast energy 3rd line type guy and that's what he will be. I still think he scores quite a bit this yr but he gives us that much needed 3rd line offense. Pyatt is a guy that scores in bunches as well so that line could win some games for us this yr. Boyle rounds it for sure cause he is a good defensive and big body C. Fans just like to crap on someone. Boyle is fine there.

Halpern is the faceoof C the team lacked this yr and Rupp and Asham will punch people in the face.

Its a good balance

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08-08-2012, 12:38 PM
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His skating has been fine, especially since he worked with Underhill. He played a lot of minutes against the best players in the league for one of the best defensive teams in the league. If his skating was an issue, he wouldnt have been in that role.
It got better, but it's still pretty bad. He's got pretty bad balance. Not to mention that his offensive awareness is just horrible. He can't distribute the puck, and that's part of his job. I expect my 3C to at least have a clue of what to do there. And he can get his PK time anyway. He's a better 5 on 4 defender than he is on 5 on 5.

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Hagelin's speed could very well lead to a good amount of SH goals, by allowing him to chase down cleared pucks
Perhaps. But don't forget that Prust (no speedster) had 5 shorties two seasons ago. Oh, and he played with Boyle.

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Perhaps. But don't forget that Prust (no speedster) had 5 shorties two seasons ago. Oh, and he played with Boyle.
Prust was definitely considered one of the faster guys.

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08-08-2012, 12:56 PM
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Contrary to popular belief, its humanly possible to have a 3rd line center who can make plays, set up and score goals and check.

Bolland, Kelly, Zajac, Johanssen, Staal last season, Steen, Eller, and Couturier (for now) just to name a few.

This is an opinion-based forum right?

Boyle sucks and I don't like him on the 3rd line.

There.
A lot of these guys played top 6 minutes for large parts of the season. The ones that didn't (Couts, Eller) barely scored more then Boyle, who many would say had a down year offensively. With better linemates and a well-defined role he is capable of scoring 30+ points, while being great defensively and playing physical.

That's not decent, that's a good 3rd line center.

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Prust was definitely considered one of the faster guys.
For realz?

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It got better, but it's still pretty bad. He's got pretty bad balance. Not to mention that his offensive awareness is just horrible. He can't distribute the puck, and that's part of his job. I expect my 3C to at least have a clue of what to do there. And he can get his PK time anyway. He's a better 5 on 4 defender than he is on 5 on 5.
He improved his straight ahead skating in '11, but regressed a bit in '12. His skating has never improved in terms of pivoting/turning/mobility. That is why Boyle gets caught flat footed all the time. He can't effectively turn at slower speeds, which makes it difficult for him to react.

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08-08-2012, 01:18 PM
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For realz?
On the Rangers last year, he absolutely was one of our better skaters. If there is one thing we are going to miss from Prust(outside of the grit)its going to be his wheels.

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08-08-2012, 01:29 PM
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On the Rangers last year, he absolutely was one of our better skaters. If there is one thing we are going to miss from Prust(outside of the grit)its going to be his wheels.
Yeah, his speed was a big reason why he got all those shorties in 2010/11.

I may be wrong, but I feel he looked a bit slower last year, tho. Not significantly, but noticeable still.

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Sportsnet: Rangers the favorite to land Doan

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If Shane Doan get's anywhere near 20M/4y with this team, I'll cry.

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If Shane Doan get's anywhere near 20M/4y with this team, I'll cry.
The money is not as a concern as the years are. I do not see how the Rangers can do more than a 1 year deal. They could do two, but it would be mega front loaded.

I think its still all conjecture.

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Another significant factor is the Rangers’ signing of Rick Nash, further cementing their status as a serious Stanley Cup contender.

From that article. Reliable at all?

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From that article. Reliable at all?
You're suggesting that clerical error diminishes the reliability of Sportsnet?

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For realz?
Skating was about the only skillset Prust had.

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People shouldn't put much stock into Sportsnet at all. They rarely break any trades or signings, this is probably Kypreos using his "Insider" status. I really don't think we will be getting Doan, and I feel that Sportsnet knows just as much as we do. Sather isn't going to cripple this team for the next few years with this signing.

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Skating was about the only skillset Prust had.
Punching dudes.

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Punching dudes.
You have to win fights for it to be considered a skill. Prust didn't lose, but he never really won either

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I couldnt disagree with you more. I like Hagelin too, but I think anyone expecting consistent offensive contributions from him are going to be sorely disappointed.

I think Kreider forces Hagelin down to the 3rd line most nights.
I guess it depends upon what your expecting out of him. Am I expecting him to dominate games and score 25 goals? No.

Do I expect him to put up 40 plus points this year? Absolutely, anyone playing on a top 6 with Stepan, Gaborik, Nash, and Richards, should put up a minimum of 40 points, just by giving up the puck to one of those 4 players.

Only if those 4 players have average - good seasons that is. I am willing to bet that if Anisimov didn't get on Tort's **** list, and stayed on the GAS line last year he would of put up 40 pts.

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Why do the majority of Rangers fans feel the need to denounce a source when they give news viewed as unfavorable?

When TSN said Schultz preferred Canada, they were pushing their Canadian agenda. Now Sportsnet is unreliable because they report the Rangers are the favorites for Doan?

edit: majority may be a bit strong, but point remains.

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