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08-09-2012, 01:20 AM
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O'Reilly is one of my favorite Non-Hawks. He would be perfect on the Hawks centering his good buddy Sharp. Having Toews-O'Reiiy-Bolland as our 1-3 centers is hard to beat. I was thinking about. A deal centered around Kane for O'Reilly would be interesting. With other pieces involved. I really like Downie, as well. But those 2 are close to untouchable to Avs fans

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08-09-2012, 01:21 AM
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MacArthur and Bozak.


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08-09-2012, 01:23 AM
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Avs fans are overprotective because they don't want to see O'Reilly go unless there's some crazy overpayment? I guess 21 year old's who're 50+ points centers, lead the league in takeaways, are fantastic defensively while being leaders on the team from the 1st time they've steped on the NHL ice grow on trees.

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08-09-2012, 01:31 AM
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O'Reilly, or any of our C's for that matter, would only be dealt (in a package, depending on the players involved) for a top line winger or top pairing defenseman to play with EJ. We already have enough decent forwards and defensemen and need quality not quantity


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O'Reilly is one of my favorite Non-Hawks. He would be perfect on the Hawks centering his good buddy Sharp. Having Toews-O'Reiiy-Bolland as our 1-3 centers is hard to beat. I was thinking about. A deal centered around Kane for O'Reilly would be interesting. With other pieces involved. I really like Downie, as well. But those 2 are close to untouchable to Avs fans
O'Reilly is one of my favorite players, but even then it would hard to say no in a deal for Kane.. I think most Avs fans would take this, although it would give Chicago far too many intangibles for one team to handle.

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08-09-2012, 01:35 AM
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I hope this won't turn into a crapfest, I know Avs fans are crazy protective over Ryan O'Reilly.

I'm not delusional, and I know players have signed way later(Doughty) and for the record Avs fans have no reason to trade ROR but let's say contract negotiations aren't working out and he wants out, what is his value?

Plz no Crosby-type value, the guy is good but come on.

From the Leafs i'd offer:

1st round pick 2013
Cody Franson
Tim Connolly
Clarke MacArthur

Since you guys have Staz and Duchene, Connolly is a serviceable 3C. Franson is a good young d-man can play top4. Hear you guys need help on LW and Mac is a dependable, heart on his sleeve type player that is good for 20goals-20assists at least, preferably 2nd line. 1st rounder speaks for itself.

Thoughts, changes, adjustments?

I come in peace, leave your snarky LOLZ LEAF FANZ UR NOT GETTING HIM comments out the door
So you say you don't want a crap fest, but you offer a crappy D, a cap dump, a first, and a top 9 winger we don't need for probably our most valued C??? C'mon man, you just started what you said you did not want to start.




For O'Reilly it would take a ton. He's 21, just had 50+ points, is great defensively...why would we trade him for anything short of crazy overpayment?? We need either a top line sniper, or a top pairing LH D. Unless were getting one of those, your not getting him. Especially not for the pile of stuff we don't you just offered.

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08-09-2012, 01:39 AM
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Exactly. With guys like Toews, Hossa, O'Reilly, Bolland, and young guys like Shaw and Ben Smith up front, this team would be loaded with the kind of guys you win Cups with. I don't see a straight 1-for-1 swap of Kane and O'Rreilly, though. I'm sure Hawk fans wouldn't like that.

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08-09-2012, 02:06 AM
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If we ever traded Duchene/Stastny/O'Reilly I think It would be for #2 defenseman to play with Johnson on top-pairing. That's our biggest need at the moment. We don't need #4 defenseman or third line center for now.

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08-09-2012, 02:28 AM
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I hope this won't turn into a crapfest, I know Avs fans are crazy protective over Ryan O'Reilly.

I'm not delusional, and I know players have signed way later(Doughty) and for the record Avs fans have no reason to trade ROR but let's say contract negotiations aren't working out and he wants out, what is his value?

Plz no Crosby-type value, the guy is good but come on.

From the Leafs i'd offer:

1st round pick 2013
Cody Franson
Tim Connolly
Clarke MacArthur

Since you guys have Staz and Duchene, Connolly is a serviceable 3C. Franson is a good young d-man can play top4. Hear you guys need help on LW and Mac is a dependable, heart on his sleeve type player that is good for 20goals-20assists at least, preferably 2nd line. 1st rounder speaks for itself.

Thoughts, changes, adjustments?

I come in peace, leave your snarky LOLZ LEAF FANZ UR NOT GETTING HIM comments out the door
Not against trading him, for the right value, but I agree with others that he doesn't fit a need for the Leafs. Stastny makes the most sense (play making 1st line center, not defense first 2/3 line center), so maybe just pony up for him (a really real offer, not THE Bozak and a 2nd).

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08-09-2012, 03:02 AM
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If we ever traded Duchene/Stastny/O'Reilly I think It would be for #2 defenseman to play with Johnson on top-pairing. That's our biggest need at the moment. We don't need #4 defenseman or third line center for now.
As an impartial fan I could see the following trade being beneficial to both Florida and Colorado:

Kulikov + Shore + Pick for Duchene + Barrie

Neither team is likely eager to give up on its true blue chipped prospect, though.

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08-09-2012, 03:06 AM
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As an impartial fan I could see the following trade being beneficial to both Florida and Colorado:

Kulikov + Shore + Pick for Duchene + Barrie

Neither team is likely eager to give up on its true blue chipped prospect, though.
I love it. I would try my hardest to keep Barrie but I still really like that deal.

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08-09-2012, 03:17 AM
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As an impartial fan I could see the following trade being beneficial to both Florida and Colorado:

Kulikov + Shore + Pick for Duchene + Barrie

Neither team is likely eager to give up on its true blue chipped prospect, though.
No, we are not gonna trade any Avalanche player to Florida, because they all seem to do so well there. (We would lose every trade)

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As an impartial fan I could see the following trade being beneficial to both Florida and Colorado:

Kulikov + Shore + Pick for Duchene + Barrie

Neither team is likely eager to give up on its true blue chipped prospect, though.
Not that it's bad value but Duchene pretty much became the most untouchable of the three once he took a multi-year discount. I think at the very least they wouldn't trade him until the deadline next season.

Don't really know anything about Shore though. Duchene & Herberdeau (Have no idea if I spelled that right.) would be a pretty mean one two punch down the middle that's for sure.

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08-09-2012, 08:23 AM
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MacArthur and Bozak.
You're kidding right?

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08-09-2012, 09:12 AM
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Would fans of the Avalanche consider Jake Gardiner + Clarke MacArthur for Matt Duchene + mid-round pick?

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Would fans of the Avalanche consider Jake Gardiner + Clarke MacArthur for Matt Duchene + mid-round pick?
No. He will stay a avalanche.

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08-09-2012, 09:31 AM
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If we ever traded Duchene/Stastny/O'Reilly I think It would be for #2 defenseman to play with Johnson on top-pairing. That's our biggest need at the moment. We don't need #4 defenseman or third line center for now.
Duchene for Phaneuf? He is a lower end #1, but would be well served as a #2.

No need for snarky LOL PHANNY PACK PHANEUF IS A CAP DUMP, TERRIBLE.

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08-09-2012, 09:32 AM
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Duchene for Phaneuf? He is a lower end #1, but would be well served as a #2.

No need for snarky LOL PHANNY PACK PHANEUF IS A CAP DUMP, TERRIBLE.
Phanuef isn't worth Duchene, especially not after signing a cheap contract. Stastny would be more realistic.

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08-09-2012, 10:35 AM
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Not happening, sorry.

(ps O'Reilly is not better than Stastny or Duchene)

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08-09-2012, 10:53 AM
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I hope this won't turn into a crapfest, I know Avs fans are crazy protective over Ryan O'Reilly.

I'm not delusional, and I know players have signed way later(Doughty) and for the record Avs fans have no reason to trade ROR but let's say contract negotiations aren't working out and he wants out, what is his value?

Plz no Crosby-type value, the guy is good but come on.

From the Leafs i'd offer:

1st round pick 2013
Cody Franson
Tim Connolly
Clarke MacArthur

Since you guys have Staz and Duchene, Connolly is a serviceable 3C. Franson is a good young d-man can play top4. Hear you guys need help on LW and Mac is a dependable, heart on his sleeve type player that is good for 20goals-20assists at least, preferably 2nd line. 1st rounder speaks for itself.

Thoughts, changes, adjustments?

I come in peace, leave your snarky LOLZ LEAF FANZ UR NOT GETTING HIM comments out the door
The value of the players you listed is much higher to the Leafs than it is to the Avalanche.

The 1st round pick is valuable but the Av's aren't looking to rebuild.

Franson isn't enough of an upgrade over Hunwick, O'Byrne, Wilson, Zanon, O'Brien, or Hejda to have any significance to Colorado. Especailly when you consider that Elliott, Barrie and Gaunce are looking to crack the NHL roster

Connolly isn't good enough to beat out Stastny or Duchene for the top 2 centre rolls, and his skill set isn't idle for a third line center. Not an attractive option for Colorado

MacArthur may not be able to hold a significant spot in the line up to have any value to Colorado. He would have to compete with Landeskog, Jones, Parenteau, Downie, Hejduk, and McGinn. Perhaps McArthur may win out over McGinn, although, personally I think McGinn would win. It would be a waste to have either of those guys on the 4th line.

So, while to you Toronto is losing "a 1st rounder, a top 4 dman, 2nd line winger, and a 3rd line center". To Colorado they are only really gaining a 1st rounder for a team not trying to restart a rebuild, a defenseman would would likely be a healthy scratch anywhere from 4-40 games, a 3rd or 4th line winger, and a 3rd line center whose skill set doesn't make him an effective bottom six player. Not to mention Colorado gives up the best player in this deal, and takes on a lot of salary in return.

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Teams that are rebuilding don't generally move their best young players barring an overpayment or a huge upgrade somewhere else to the roster.

Adding 4 depth pieces is not something I'd consider a huge upgrade.

Colorado would be better served to keep O'Reilly and Duchene and move Stastny. The team as it is, doesn't look ready to compete for a playoff spot, but there's quite a spattering of young pieces they can build around.

Makes no sense to acquire another 5/6 d-man, 2/3 tweener, and injured overpaid camp dump and a 1st. There just isn't enough 'value'...only quantity.

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The Leafs need to surround Kessel and Lupul with a C who has a two-way mentality and guys like Ryan O'Reilly and Travis Zajac fit the bill perfectly.

The Leafs do not necessarily need a top scoring C to put with Kessel. They need someone who can play the defensive side, but also chip in on offense.

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Teams that are rebuilding don't generally move their best young players barring an overpayment or a huge upgrade somewhere else to the roster.

Adding 4 depth pieces is not something I'd consider a huge upgrade.

Colorado would be better served to keep O'Reilly and Duchene and move Stastny. The team as it is, doesn't look ready to compete for a playoff spot, but there's quite a spattering of young pieces they can build around.

Makes no sense to acquire another 5/6 d-man, 2/3 tweener, and injured overpaid camp dump and a 1st. There just isn't enough 'value'...only quantity.
They competed for a playoff spot last year until the two last games of the season, with Duchene playing like crap and missing almost half the season and without PAP who was added to play with Duchene.

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They competed for a playoff spot last year until the two last games of the season, with Duchene playing like crap and missing almost half the season and without PAP who was added to play with Duchene.
I think Colorado will settle into a playoff spot pretty comfortably next season.

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Even if RoR wanted out, there would be plenty of teams offering for him and would get more than this.

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Duchene for Phaneuf? He is a lower end #1, but would be well served as a #2.

No need for snarky LOL PHANNY PACK PHANEUF IS A CAP DUMP, TERRIBLE.


Imagine if Duchene was a Leaf and they got offered **** like that

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