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09-02-2012, 11:35 AM
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Who cares if the players don't want the floor lowered, if they helps save the teams that are not viable it should be available.

Are the players asking to be paid in which ever currency is higher at the time of payment? I hadn't heard that. I thought all contracts were in US currency?
No, the revenues spiked since the last lockout because the Canadian dollar increased by 33% relative to the US dollar which increased the cap and therefore the amount players were getting.

Hope that is more understandable.

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09-02-2012, 11:41 AM
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No, the revenues spiked since the last lockout because the Canadian dollar increased by 33% relative to the US dollar which increased the cap and therefore the amount players were getting.

Hope that is more understandable.
I don't see a problem with that then.

The cap is tied to revenue which is what the owners demanded.

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09-02-2012, 11:48 AM
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I don't see a problem with that then.

The cap is tied to revenue which is what the owners demanded.
And if the Canadian dollar was still 75 cents then every NHL team would be in the same boat as before, the cap max would be more reasonable, and a deal would be easier to figure out.

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09-02-2012, 11:55 AM
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It is not surprising that its Canadian teams that carry the NHL.

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Since the previous lockout, Canadian teams have played a big role in ticket revenue growth and currently account for one-third of league-wide ticket sales.

For the 2010-11 season, the Montreal Canadiens brought in about $2 million in gate receipts per game, edging the Toronto Maple Leafs for first position.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl-l...man%27s%20side
Relocating more struggling USA based teams to Canadian markets would increase HRR for the NHL and the cap to increase and the profit levels of owners.

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I don't care if they eliminate 120+ jobs.
I don't care if 6-12 billionaires lose their franchises.

If market determines ticket prices, let market determine demand.
That is a recipe for disaster, a new WHA would be formed in a heart-beat and player salaries would sore. What is it Mess says about history repeating itself.

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Who cares if the players don't want the floor lowered, if they helps save the teams that are not viable it should be available.

Are the players asking to be paid in which ever currency is higher at the time of payment? I hadn't heard that. I thought all contracts were in US currency?
There was a time you were paid in C$ if you played for a Canadian team and U.S. if a U.S. teams. It was a disaster for Cdn teams.

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Your mansions must be of the revenue sharing variety.

Average salary is 2.4, and we know that isn't take home pay, and average career is 3 years. So let's say 5 million in take home for career, one mansion is probably 2+ million(entry level), and there is annual upkeep, taxes, et cetera.
How many Canadians make 2.4 million pre-tax in their lifetime let alone 1 year of playing hockey?

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That is a recipe for disaster, a new WHA would be formed in a heart-beat and player salaries would sore. What is it Mess says about history repeating itself.
With what money would another WHA start up?

There isn't enough to support 30 NHL teams, but there is money to start a competitive league?

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09-02-2012, 12:15 PM
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How many Canadians make 2.4 million pre-tax in their lifetime let alone 1 year of playing hockey?
I'm going through school for engineering. After graduation, I think I can make 50-60k in my first year in pre-tax earnings. Let's say I max out at around 150k, but average around $100k per year over a 40 year career. That means I bring in around $4 million dollars in 40 YEARS. The average player, using a 2.4 million salary, makes that in LESS THAN 2 YEARS.

Now I feel depressed.

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With what money would another WHA start up?

There isn't enough to support 30 NHL teams, but there is money to start a competitive league?
The greater fool theory would prevail. The cities that lost NHL franchises would suck some film-flam man to give it a go with rent or cover their loses i.e. Phoenix right now. Over time they would all go belly up but on the short term it would greatly inflate NHL salaries as the WHA did in 1972. Remember when Derek Sanderson was the first athlete in the world (any sport) to make 1 million a year?

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The greater fool theory would prevail. The cities that lost NHL franchises would suck some film-flam man to give it a go with rent or cover their loses i.e. Phoenix right now. Over time they would all go belly up but on the short term it would greatly inflate NHL salaries as the WHA did in 1972. Remember when Derek Sanderson was the first athlete in the world (any sport) to make 1 million a year?
Cap to revenue remember.

Teams can only pay to the cap.

Players might leave for bigger paycheques, but that isn`t what this is about.

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09-02-2012, 12:28 PM
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There was a time you were paid in C$ if you played for a Canadian team and U.S. if a U.S. teams. It was a disaster for Cdn teams.
Calgary and Edmonton were the Phoenix and Nashville of yesteryear.

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Calgary and Edmonton were the Phoenix and Nashville of yesteryear.
That was before salary was tied to revenue.

If Canadian dollar was at .75 revenues would be less and cap would be less.

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That was before salary was tied to revenue.

If Canadian dollar was at .75 revenues would be less and cap would be less.
And Calgary and Edmonton's money left over after paying salaries could be in the negative and the league would need to help them out again.

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I don't care if they eliminate 120+ jobs.
I don't care if 6-12 billionaires lose their franchises.

If market determines ticket prices, let market determine demand.
Excellent. However I bet the players disagree with you.

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Excellent. However I bet the players disagree with you.
Of course they would, and so would the owners who have dogs for franchises.

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No, the revenues spiked since the last lockout because the Canadian dollar increased by 33% relative to the US dollar which increased the cap and therefore the amount players were getting.

Hope that is more understandable.
23 of the leagues 30 franchises are American. Until last year and during most of the cap increase -- 24 of 30 were. A rise in the Canadian dollar did nothing to help them. In fact the US has been in a recession for quite some time. You need to look for other reasons to justify the increase.

During this time the league also signed a US TV deal -- something they were without for ages.

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09-02-2012, 05:12 PM
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23 of the leagues 30 franchises are American. Until last year and during most of the cap increase -- 24 of 30 were. A rise in the Canadian dollar did nothing to help them. In fact the US has been in a recession for quite some time. You need to look for other reasons to justify the increase.

During this time the league also signed a US TV deal -- something they were without for ages.
The rise in the Canadian dollar raised league revenues, I didn't write anything about it increasing the revenues of the American teams which as you mentioned have been in a recession so none of them could hope to increase revenues at the rate of the Canadian teams when the US dollar is the currency of the league.

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Of course they would, and so would the owners who have dogs for franchises.
They sure would, which is why the owners want a lower cap.

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Your mansions must be of the revenue sharing variety.

Average salary is 2.4, and we know that isn't take home pay, and average career is 3 years. So let's say 5 million in take home for career, one mansion is probably 2+ million(entry level), and there is annual upkeep, taxes, et cetera.
Fine.
For the people that only last 3 years... they're not out of this world filthy rich. The're just very very rich.

But do you really think it's right that someone should be able to retire after just 3 years of work?
If they can't cut it, they can get other jobs.
It's not the owners problems.

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Fine.
For the people that only last 3 years... they're not out of this world filthy rich. The're just very very rich.

But do you really think it's right that someone should be able to retire after just 3 years of work?
If they can't cut it, they can get other jobs.
It's not the owners problems.
Did you somehow forget that the average rookie age is relatively high and the amount of work and dedication leading up to that point is just as exhausting, if not more so?

Work doesn't just start and stop when you join and leave the league.

As well, someone who averages a career spanning 3 years would rarely fall that far along the pay scale unless they sustain some major injury or other fluke scenario.

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