I don't think it's unreasonable but if they cut that much out of HRR they should increase the % more.
interesting 3 of these these cuts to HRR (as per Friedman's article) are pretty normal and probably defensible. The issue about renovations to arena's is a bit more complicated IMHO? I would need to see a full definition of that proposal because that could really add up.
interesting 3 of these these cuts to HRR (as per Friedman's article) are pretty normal and probably defensible. The issue about renovations to arena's is a bit more complicated IMHO? I would need to see a full definition of that proposal because that could really add up.
I agree completely. I personally agree with the changes to HRR, but the % needs to go up IMO. The actual % compared to last year is about 46%.
I agree completely. I personally agree with the changes to HRR, but the % needs to go up IMO. The actual % compared to last year is about 46%.
Yes but that 46% is based off of the old definitiln. The latest 50% is on the new definition. The owners are also probably willing to take 48 or 49 % of new hrr but the PA doesnt seem to want to budge and seems content to waste everyones time. It was another joke of a proposal by them today.
I agree completely. I personally agree with the changes to HRR, but the % needs to go up IMO. The actual % compared to last year is about 46%.
The interesting part is there are allot of buckets to fill so once both sides get down to negociating in earnest there are ways to get to a deal. today was a step back but that's the way these things can go.
with the latest quotes from Fehr and Bettman, sounds like no hockey for a long time...
what am I going to do without my/our Jets?!?!
We didn't have an NHL team for 15 years, so I am sure we'll survive and make do with out an NHL team for half a year to a year. Granted, we had the Moose during the last lockout. Ahhhh fidge.
I believe today was the beginning of the real posturing. I expect no real movement until closer to the start of the RS. I really can't believe that the NHLPA will be willing to be locked out for another season, and I think the NHL will move enough to provide some sort of "victory" for the NHLPA.
I believe today was the beginning of the real posturing. I expect no real movement until closer to the start of the RS. I really can't believe that the NHLPA will be willing to be locked out for another season, and I think the NHL will move enough to provide some sort of "victory" for the NHLPA.
I hope your eight. Im mostly just frustrated by both sides inability to work on a similar theme., ignoring values and percentages, they arent even playing within the same framework.
The pa is doing itself a disservice not on the proposals being presented but in how they continue to frame them as "continuing the discussion" when by all appearances there proposals arent even within the same system. Its definitly coming across as foot dragging
I read on my TSN app that their stick on year four of the counter offer. The owners don't want it to go back to 57%, obviously the players do.
It doesn't really found like they are that far off.
Nvm. They ate very far off. I got the impression from the earlier article that the only thing in the way was that fourth year. Nope. I really wish the Don would stop with this alternative view crap and actually issue a formal counter proposal.
I believe today was the beginning of the real posturing. I expect no real movement until closer to the start of the RS. I really can't believe that the NHLPA will be willing to be locked out for another season, and I think the NHL will move enough to provide some sort of "victory" for the NHLPA.
Yea after today I sense your post is accurate as far as timing goes now. As Grind mentioned I will be very interested to see when the sides adopt a common platform to work off of. in a bubble without season tickets burning a hole in my pocket I find this process really interesting as far as a case study in collective bargaining. all I can say is better this year than last, that would have been really tough to sit around waiting for our first game. As PensFan6687 said so wisely we spent 15 years in the wilderness somwho better equiped to ride this one out. ? My NFL fantasy leagues are starting up and I can keep busy if they choose to do it the hard way.
On the runway in YYZ heading over to Scotland to golf for a week, and when the dust settles after this CBA negociation we will still have our Jets so life ain't so bad.
On the runway in YYZ heading over to Scotland to golf for a week, and when the dust settles after this CBA negociation we will still have our Jets so life ain't so bad.
I waved to you as your plane went by, but you didn't wave back. Enjoy the golf - that'll be a hoot in Scotland.
I predict that they'll have it resolved sometime around Oct 15th. I saw some predictions of Dec earlier in the thread - anyone else have a guess?
Billionaires fighting millionaires for what is, to them, insignificant amounts of money. -_- im definitley no expert at this side of the national hockey league but it doesn't seem fair to me. Someones just got to settle so us middle class people can watch hockey!
awesome! That's definitely on my bucket list, hopefully sooner than later!.
Yea staying at the hotel and Golfing the Old Course at St Andrews on Monday. We golf two more sister courses then it's down to Newcastle to party and one more day of Golf. St Andrews has always been on my bucket list and I am playing it with some great guys which is a bonus.
I hope the players lose tons of money out of this. And if they don't like it, go to Russia, **** with their union and then lockout the season.
How is this the players fault? The owners and the nhl expect the pa to give and give and give and get nothing in return. Unions don't work like that at all and for the most part there is compromise (I'm spelling that wrong) and one side actually listens to the union. NHL isn't doing this. The owners want an already bigger piece of the pie when it comes to revenue. Players are the only reason why these teams even have HRR. The way the NHL and their owners are going about this is no way to negotiate. They want a lockout because they know the players will bend over again and they'll get exactly what they want.
Wouldn't it be great if the government threatened them with back to work legislation with forced binding arbitration That would get the two sides serious and back to the table 5 minutes ago
They could say a work stoppage threatens our national heritage by depriving the people from hockey lol
Yea staying at the hotel and Golfing the Old Course at St Andrews on Monday. We golf two more sister courses then it's down to Newcastle to party and one more day of Golf. St Andrews has always been on my bucket list and I am playing it with some great guys which is a bonus.
How is this the players fault? The owners and the nhl expect the pa to give and give and give and get nothing in return.
It worked for the players for years. They wanted the owners to give and give and they did.
The owners think the current contract is not beneficial. They have every right to seek one that is. Within reason. I mean obviously they're not asking for a return to the 1950's.
I'm not siding with either side. They are both being greedy and really if they want to continue, everyone will lose.
I understand they are both protecting their own sides but the old agreement is expiring. Time for something new, what that is, I have no idea. Perhaps getting the players portion related to hockey operating revenue that's is tied to expenses (travel, operating costs etc) would be an idea. That way just because revenues go up doesn't mean salaries go up. If the expenses increase higher than revenues then there is no salary increase for the year. Make sense? Kind of how this works for people in the real world. If your company isn't going to give out raises (less likely at least). And when the company sees a good year, there is increased revenue sharing and potential for wage increases.
Of course the players have it good now, so why change it? I understand their side. But as of Sept 15, this era ends. Time to negotiate a new deal.
Yes, there is plenty of greed right now and if they want to continue down this path we will see players getting more and more money by the big dollar owners and see the smaller clubs face financial trouble. Contraction will happen and players lose jobs, owners lose teams but most importantly arena staff lose jobs and then is spirals on down through the economy.
Eventually, everyone will lose.
Let's get a deal done that benefits the fans... Crazy talk I'm sure but imagine if that happened? Oh yeah, greed... Sorry fans the only part we have is to pay for this mess.
I am just beyond angry at the NHL and the Players for taking it so far that a lockout is pretty closed to guarenteed.
I for one lost a lot of zest for NHL hockey in the last lockout, I was watching as many games as possible then...hockey seemed more entertaining.
Now I rarely sit through an entire game without walking away from the TV to do a few things or missing a period or two, less entertaining and not as into the game.
Now that the Jets are back, I enjoyed watching more, but still find the game a bit boring and the constant drama behind the scenes on TSN (head injuries, coach drama, banning fighting, announcers and their rants...) has made it hard to enjoy.
Hoping another lockout doesn't make anyone else feel this way, but I say put Brandon Wheat Kings games on TSN, and at least the hockey fix will be filled until the billionaire and millionaires can sort out their issues!
Hoping another lockout doesn't make anyone else feel this way, but I say put Brandon Wheat Kings games on TSN, and at least the hockey fix will be filled until the billionaire and millionaires can sort out their issues!
I believe the local cable access channel broadcasts Wheaties games, but I don't know how reliable that is.
- HRR should be tweaked, the above recommendations seem pretty good.
- Percentage should go down a moderate amount. Say 52% or so.
- Management should be able buy out contracts for lack of performance without such a large penalty.
- Offer sheets to RFA's should be changed. The current system favors the teams that are late in the draft. It also favors the rich teams.
- Max 7 year contracts
- Salary cap floor goes from $16 to $20 million below the cap.
I like your list allan5oh and I might add a point or two of my own to it.
With the buyout of contracts I would want some punishment to the cap hit so they didn't get off scott free unless it was a one time amnesty buyout. also I would like to see rules in place to deal with front loading payments of contracts even if they amortized bonus payment over the first 5 years evenly and didn't allow for a yearly swing of more that 10% of previous years contract value. I think the part that is going scare the players most is a claw back so that is where the NHL might need to be flexible to get this deal done.
- Management should be able buy out contracts for lack of performance without such a large penalty.
Absolutely not going to happen. Unless the owners are willing to detach cap hit from payment for buyouts to allow the players to still be paid but not as severe a caphit (unlikely, IMO), the players will in no way allow non guaranteed contracts to gain any sort of foothold. That is the very last thing they will give up, they will give up percentage points before losing that for sure.
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- HRR should be tweaked, the above recommendations seem pretty good.
- Percentage should go down a moderate amount. Say 52% or so.
- Management should be able buy out contracts for lack of performance without such a large penalty.
- Offer sheets to RFA's should be changed. The current system favors the teams that are late in the draft. It also favors the rich teams.
- Max 7 year contracts
- Salary cap floor goes from $16 to $20 million below the cap.
Not that I disagree with anything you've proposed, but the owners gain a lot from this - players not so much. I think it will take something like this for the owners to agree.
Offer sheets are an interesting item. Current system does favor rich, 'successful' teams and artificially increase salary. See Dustin Penner or Thomas Vanek as examples. The players like this option. Teams rarely use it. If compensation was players or prospects, vs draft picks, would that solve it? Likely not. If cash was involved, team 'losing' player had option of picks plus $x million from 'winning' team - would that be more palatable? Maybe.
? My NFL fantasy leagues are starting up and I can keep busy if they choose to do it the hard way. 
Enjoy the golf - that'll be a hoot in Scotland. 
That would get the two sides serious and back to the table 5 minutes ago 
