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08-10-2012, 09:46 AM
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Will Morgan Rielly make the Leafs out of camp?

Pretty simple question. Do you guys think that Morgan Rielly will make the Maple Leafs out of camp and if he does, what will our defensive pairings look like?

Current D depth:

Dion Phaneuf
John-Michael Liles
Carl Gunnarsson
Korbinian Holzer
Mike Komisarek
Cody Franson
Jake Gardiner
Mark Fraser
Morgan Rielly
Jesse Blacker

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08-10-2012, 09:52 AM
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Nope. Let him learn and experience camp then back to junior and be a leader.

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08-10-2012, 09:54 AM
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Pretty simple question. Do you guys think that Morgan Rielly will make the Maple Leafs out of camp and if he does, what will our defensive pairings look like?

Current D depth:

Dion Phaneuf
John-Michael Liles
Carl Gunnarsson
Korbinian Holzer
Mike Komisarek
Cody Franson
Jake Gardiner
Mark Fraser
Morgan Rielly
Jesse Blacker
I don't think he makes the team out of camp, although he may earn 9 games in the NHL.

Hypothetically, if he were to make the team out of camp, here are some potential pairings:

Gunnar-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Franson
Rielly-Komisarek
Liles

OR

Liles-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Franson
Rielly-Gunnar
Komi

OR

Liles-Phaneuf
Rielly-Komisarek
Gardiner-Gunnarson
Franson

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08-10-2012, 09:56 AM
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Nope. I'd rather let him have a year in junior of getting stronger and polishing his defensive play a long with getting a feel for a physical game.

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Giving him 9 games if he earns it is the best option IMO. Give him a chance to see first hand what facets of his game he'll need to work on in junior to be ready for the NHL game.

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Not a chance.

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I don't think he makes the team out of camp, although he may earn 9 games in the NHL.

Hypothetically, if he were to make the team out of camp, here are some potential pairings:

Gunnar-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Franson
Rielly-Komisarek
Liles

OR

Liles-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Franson
Rielly-Gunnar
Komi

OR

Liles-Phaneuf
Rielly-Komisarek
Gardiner-Gunnarson
Franson
No Holzer? He's better than Komisarek and possibly Franson.

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Sweet Christ in heaven, are we really going to ruin another prospect??

Schenn is just another in a loooooong line of failures. Leave this kid in junior and keep him away from this disaster of a roster for as long as possible.

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I think he'll be good enough in camp to make the team, but the Leafs will send him back to the Dub regardless.

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It's very possible he makes the team. The Leafs are not a good hockey team and Rielly is a blue chipper. Do the math.

If he makes the team he's not being ruined, plenty of high draft picks make the NHL in their draft year.

If he's among the 6 best D men we have, he should be on the team end of story.

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Not a chance. He heads back to junior, continue to rehab his knee and dominates junior and the world juniors. Gives us the option to move Liles in the off season to make room for him.

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No Holzer? He's better than Komisarek and possibly Franson.
He'll start the year in the AHL, we won't carry 8 D-men in the NHL and he's the only waiver exempt D. He's the first call-up due to injury.

Of course, that's only in a hypothetical situation in which Rielly makes the team (which almost definitely won't happen). Holzer will be on the team in place of Rielly most likely.

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08-10-2012, 10:39 AM
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there is zero chance he has the ability to make a difference on the team next season irrespective of whether or not he can "make the team".

it wont hurt him to play at least one more season of jr hockey. he missed a lot of time and still has a lot to learn/develop. the benefit of him not playing in the nhl >>> the benefit he might ad to the team by playing.

with our defense looking like

phaneuf gunnarson
liles komisarek
gardiner holzer/franson

i would think burk tries to give komisarek an opportunity to try and create value for himself so he can get moved.

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No Holzer? He's better than Komisarek and possibly Franson.
Based on? A decent season in a lower league?

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He'll start the year in the AHL, we won't carry 8 D-men in the NHL and he's the only waiver exempt D. He's the first call-up due to injury.

Of course, that's only in a hypothetical situation in which Rielly makes the team (which almost definitely won't happen). Holzer will be on the team in place of Rielly most likely.
Nope. He'll go back to Junior. He's not allowed to play in the AHL at his age.

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I think the biggest discussion point at camp will be Reilly, as he continues to impress.

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1% chance he breaks camp with the Leafs.
Why rush a 18 year old?

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Based on? A decent season in a lower league?
Based on his skating, positioning, shot, first pass and abilities with the puck which far exceed Komisarek's abilities. Also, when he's played at top world events like the World Championships and Olympics he plays great in a shutdown role. He also eats 25 minutes + per game for the Marlies and was their top defenseman throughout not only the regular season, but also in their Calder Cup run. His patience with the puck is also superior to Komisarek's. He also has similar size and is physical enough to be effective at the NHL level, which, coupled with shot blocking, are Komisarek's only abilities that are up to NHL standards.

I don't think he's better than Franson, but in the new system that Carlyle is putting in place he'll be more effective. He has better defensive instincts, is more physical and skates better than Franson, which is needed in the style of play the Leafs defensemen will play this year.

Also, calling his season in the AHL this year 'decent' is an understatement. He had a fantastic season and really his game transformed into a shutdown role this year. Holzer was a major force in the Marlies making it to the Calder Cup final and played a ton of minutes every game for that team. He was NHL calibur by the middle of this past season and it would do him no good to sit back in the AHL and stagnate while we play a guy like Komisarek who hasn't shown that he's an NHL calibur defenseman since he's been in Toronto.

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He won't be with the team longer than 9 games, and I don't see Burke giving him that much, tbh.

I wouldn't be surprised to see him to shine and be one of our better D-men in camp, but it's about who will be the best players in February/March when the season starts to get long and players fatigue. After missing a year, it's hard to think he'll maintain his stamina all the way through a full season, and that's where development gets messed up.

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No because there wont be a camp. he'll be long gone to junior

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No Holzer? He's better than Komisarek and possibly Franson.
I like Holzer and have high hopes for him but this is getting ridiculous.

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I like Holzer and have high hopes for him but this is getting ridiculous.
Why is it ridiculous? It's not like Komisarek is anything more than a depth defenseman at this point. Franson also didn't show much in the way of anything but offense last year. His defensive game was full of holes and with Carlyle's new system he'll fit in perfectly. Holzer is young, seasoned and ready for the NHL; saying he's better than Komisarek and that his game will fit in better than Franson's is anything, but ridiculous.

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Based on his skating, positioning, shot, first pass and abilities with the puck which far exceed Komisarek's abilities. Also, when he's played at top world events like the World Championships and Olympics he plays great in a shutdown role. He also eats 25 minutes + per game for the Marlies and was their top defenseman throughout not only the regular season, but also in their Calder Cup run. His patience with the puck is also superior to Komisarek's. He also has similar size and is physical enough to be effective at the NHL level, which, coupled with shot blocking, are Komisarek's only abilities that are up to NHL standards.

I don't think he's better than Franson, but in the new system that Carlyle is putting in place he'll be more effective. He has better defensive instincts, is more physical and skates better than Franson, which is needed in the style of play the Leafs defensemen will play this year.

Also, calling his season in the AHL this year 'decent' is an understatement. He had a fantastic season and really his game transformed into a shutdown role this year. Holzer was a major force in the Marlies making it to the Calder Cup final and played a ton of minutes every game for that team. He was NHL calibur by the middle of this past season and it would do him no good to sit back in the AHL and stagnate while we play a guy like Komisarek who hasn't shown that he's an NHL calibur defenseman since he's been in Toronto.
Good post.

I think Holzer will surprise a few. I think he'll be a really solid 2nd or 3rd pairing defender. He plays a really error-free game, similar to Gunnarsson, but more physical. I'm not saying he's better than Gunnarsson, just a somewhat similar player with a heavier shot and more physical.

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I don't think there is a 0% chance, but it certainly will be an uphill climb. He lost a full season due to a knee injury and I think another year in Moosejaw wouldn't hurt, whereas making the jump could hurt his development.

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Nope. He'll go back to Junior. He's not allowed to play in the AHL at his age.
I was talking about holzer... Look at the context of my post...

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