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12-15-2012, 11:58 PM
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Ya that list is extremely questionable.

Granlund, Hamilton, Murray, and a few others will be miles better than Ritchie.

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12-16-2012, 12:03 AM
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Hamilton is waaaaaaaaay overrated. At least on this forum.

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12-16-2012, 06:13 AM
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Does Ritchie really go 6'4/218?

Edit: also, am I missing something regarding Morgan Rielly?

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12-16-2012, 09:49 AM
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Does Ritchie really go 6'4/218?

Edit: also, am I missing something regarding Morgan Rielly?
No, just that he's plays for the Leafs and it's a TSN ranking .. That's all that needs to be said

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12-16-2012, 09:56 AM
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TSN isn't really that biased towards the Leafs, it was explained in that thread (Kessel was left off of a top 95 players list, and Toronto's been at the bottom of many of their power rankings when they really didn't belong there).

Rielly is way, way too high. Anyone who tells you he's better than Yakupov loses all credibility right there.

And to justify Ritchie being so high, that list was mostly based off of recent performance as well as high end potential. I think him being right behind Strome is rather telling though, and that they're feeding off of each other, not Ritchie riding his coattails.

Button is actually a very good scout, but I can't help but feel that something like Rielly over Yakupov is just a crazy idea to get more hits on his latest article.

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12-16-2012, 11:46 AM
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CHL - December 15th
 
vs.
Result
GAPtsPIM+/-
★★★
Season:
GP
G
A
PtsPIM
Stransky
5-2 W
2
0
2
0
E
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34
21
22
43
37
G. Smith
4-1 W
0
0
0
0
E
  
34
14
20
34
30

NCAA - December 15th
 
vs.
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GAPtsPIM+/-
★★★
Season:
GP
G
A
PtsPIM
Winkler
1-3 L
0
0
0
0
-1
  
20
10
10
20
29
McKenzie
3-1 W
0
1
1
2
+1
  
16
5
7
12
26
Guptill
2-0 W
0
0
0
0
E
  
15
4
7
11
8

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12-16-2012, 11:53 PM
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CHL - December 16th
 
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Winther
3-0 W
0
0
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32
14
18
32
37
Vance
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0
0
0
4
E
  
33
3
12
15
32


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12-17-2012, 12:02 AM
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Guptil seriously has hit a wall.

Looked into it and found this article:

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/red-b...actice-habits/

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But when the team bus left Ann Arbor, its leading returning scorer wasn’t on it.

Coach Red Berenson said Tuesday that he left Alex Guptill home from last weekend’s road series due to the sophomore forward’s work ethic, attitude and practice habits in recent weeks.

“He’s too good a player to keep going the way he’s going, particularly his work ethic and his practice habits,” Berenson said. “It was showing up in games.”

“I put him in our top four players, and he’s playing like he’s in our bottom four, so it’s pretty evident,” Berenson said. “He knew it and we knew it and we had to do something about it.”
Also, this was in the notes for the 12/14 postgamegame:

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Alex Guptill returned to the lineup, after being a healthy scratch in Michigan's last series, and led the team with five shots on goal.

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12-17-2012, 01:27 PM
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Guptil seriously has hit a wall.

Looked into it and found this article:

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/red-b...actice-habits/



Also, this was in the notes for the 12/14 postgamegame:
Watching that 12/14 game, he did not get all that much ice time in the first period. But when he played he generated some good chances, and by the third, being down 2 goals, he was getting lots of ice time.

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12-17-2012, 01:31 PM
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Watching that 12/14 game, he did not get all that much ice time in the first period. But when he played he generated some good chances, and by the third, being down 2 goals, he was getting lots of ice time.
Didn't see the game, but if what you're saying is right, then it's a coaching issue.

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12-17-2012, 03:34 PM
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Sounds more like an Alex Guptill issue. I'll give Red Berenson the benefit of the doubt.

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12-17-2012, 04:36 PM
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Yea I don't see how that's a coaching issue...

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12-17-2012, 06:02 PM
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Sounds like a Scott Glennie problem.

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12-17-2012, 06:03 PM
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#scottglennieproblems

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12-18-2012, 09:29 AM
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DBD mid season prospect rankings

Glennie at 16... Anyone surprised?

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12-18-2012, 10:11 AM
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Too high.

Also as Mark pointed out, lack of Bystrom is strange.

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12-18-2012, 11:00 AM
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I am not as high on Gemel Smith and I think Campbell should be falling farther but I dont have any major problems with the list.

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12-18-2012, 11:01 AM
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Bystrom is at 11.

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12-18-2012, 12:53 PM
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They added Bystrom, he wasn't there originally. Moved everyone down one and dropped someone but I don't remember who.

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12-18-2012, 12:59 PM
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I don't understand why Fraser and Dillon aren't prospects. They've played one NHL game each, right?

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12-18-2012, 01:23 PM
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The fact they were undrafted is my guess, but I'd still consider them solid Stars prospects and personally rank em' in 5-10 range

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12-18-2012, 01:37 PM
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Who he includes versus excludes is sketchy at best. Vincour being left off makes sense, he's an NHL guy it's just a matter of where in the lineup he plateau's at. Eakin I can kind of also understand as he's played with Washington and still not many of us have seen him personally but to leave off Fraser and Dillion is strange.

Regardless he's way way too high on G. Smith and A. Smith. Too low on Lindell and right now if you're measuring Stransky versus Faska Stransky is the better player and probably more likely to be a solid top six winger where Faska may or may not become a good second line center.

Winther doesn't get enough love nor does Vance. Bystrom and Molin are going to be the two names talked about next year when they come to NA.

It's just nice to have more than three or four guys to talk about. It's the one truly positive thing I have to say about JN as GM. Les Jackson has been the best thing for this franchise since he joined.

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12-18-2012, 02:00 PM
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Who he includes versus excludes is sketchy at best. Vincour being left off makes sense, he's an NHL guy it's just a matter of where in the lineup he plateau's at. Eakin I can kind of also understand as he's played with Washington and still not many of us have seen him personally but to leave off Fraser and Dillion is strange.

Regardless he's way way too high on G. Smith and A. Smith. Too low on Lindell and right now if you're measuring Stransky versus Faska Stransky is the better player and probably more likely to be a solid top six winger where Faska may or may not become a good second line center.

Winther doesn't get enough love nor does Vance. Bystrom and Molin are going to be the two names talked about next year when they come to NA.

It's just nice to have more than three or four guys to talk about. It's the one truly positive thing I have to say about JN as GM. Les Jackson has been the best thing for this franchise since he joined.
Remember for Dillon, most of us had him as a lock to make the big club. I'm sure that was a big reason he was left off. Fraser makes no sense, though. Agreed on Winther big time, and Vance too. Pretty dang excited for Bystrom, and especially Molin.

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I'm glad to see Oleksiak getting the #1. Well deserved. That could have gone to either him or Ritchie. And I'm totally with Mark on this one. He's way closer to NHL ready than we had previously thought in the summer. He can probably jump next season. Stransky could have been a little bit higher.

1. Oleksiak
2. Ritchie
3. R. Smith
4. Stransky
5. Faksa
6. Chiasson
7. Campbell

A little off from what I said the other day, but it could go either way really.

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12-18-2012, 04:13 PM
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As much we'd all love high end, blue chip talent to rule the top of the prospect list, it is pretty cool that our current top 2 prospects, happen to average out around 6'5 230lbs and in their own right are obviously quite talented niche players. (Ritchie PF, Oleksiak, Behemoth mobile defender) Things are shaping up

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12-18-2012, 04:51 PM
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Count me in as one who doesn't quite get the logic behind not counting guys as prospects because you think they might have made the Dallas roster. IMO if a guy could theoretically win the calder he is still a prospect although I can understand people who want to make the cutoff at a lower age.

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