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08-25-2012, 01:21 PM
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Not to be a smarter science nerd, but when you work out you are causing minor damage to your muscles, forcing your body to rebuild them and make them larger to adjust to your new environment. Your body uses protein to make the repairs.

Combined with weight lifting he would be on a cardiovascular workout which would have taken care of his water weight issue.
Weight training usually cases some water retention in muscles that goes away when volume with weights is lowered. In this case when season starts (yeah.. about that).

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08-25-2012, 01:59 PM
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has anyone just asked @kyleturris yet?

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Your joking right? Not only does this lack calories, it is also void of micro-nutrients, except for the fortification with folate. There is a also something to be said about a diet with 55-60% or more calories coming from carbohydrates. Nothing but carbs for breakfast, seriously? There is a reason it is called break-fast. During fast (like at night time) your body will cannibalize itself. It is ideal to consume fat and protein before you go to bed and after you you wake up. No whey protein or eggs (best sources of protein) when you are trying to gain muscle mass? No essential fatty acids. The fish stick may have some, but EFAs don't do well in heat.
Sorry, I probably should've been more clear. I meant this example to be that of an 'average joe's' training/nutrition schedule.

To anyone debating the composition (muscle, fat, water) of the 15lbs of mass he alledgedly gained (source?) I would think it would be some combination of muscle and fat.

Gaining muscle while keeping fat levels the same, or even lowering them is entirely possible, but not during the span in which Turris is said to have gained it. If he did indeed put on 15lbs I would guess that a large portion was muscle and some of it was fat only because he was so lean to begin with.

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Weight training usually cases some water retention in muscles that goes away when volume with weights is lowered. In this case when season starts (yeah.. about that).
Yes, weight training does draw water into muscle cells in order to help facilitate the repairing function. Muscle also stores glycogen among other nutrients.

I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say. Are you suggesting that once the season begins he will lose all this gained muscle because he will stop working out and because muscle he gained was actually only water?

Undoubtly, he will lose some mass throughtout the season, but I would imagine Turris would be placed on some type of maintenance routine to help maintain the muscle he has already gained.

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Not to be a science nerd or anything, but their is ZERO possibility he added 15 pounds of muscle mass in 3 months. Most of that weight is water and fat stored in the muscle, muscle cells don't divide :p
I'm shocked as to how to can say this so conclusively. You must work for the Senators. Were you the one administering the tests to analyze the results of his training?

If not, can you please give us the reasons as to why most of the weight he gained was in the form of water and fat being stored in the muscles? How was this new mass he gained not growth of new muscle tissue? It is obviously that you are positive you know this to be fact, please explain to us how.

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08-25-2012, 07:06 PM
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I am not sure what exactly you are trying to say. Are you suggesting that once the season begins he will lose all this gained muscle because he will stop working out and because muscle he gained was actually only water?
No no, nothing like that. Just that weight drops a little because of water loss, the amount of muscle protein doesn't decline. Assuming sufficient amount of maintenance work is done (as you mentioned).. though that can be hard with long season and (possible) injuries.




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If not, can you please give us the reasons as to why most of the weight he gained was in the form of water and fat being stored in the muscles? How was this new mass he gained not growth of new muscle tissue? It is obviously that you are positive you know this to be fact, please explain to us how.
Well muscle is mostly water so there is that .

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I'd quite like Cal Clutterbuck...

Discuss.

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08-26-2012, 03:00 PM
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I'd quite like Cal Clutterbuck...

Discuss.
I'd probably overpay a ton for him.
15-20G 300+ hits with his size and he's responsible in the defensive end.

I'd offer a 1st for him
Or
Andre Petterson + 2nd

I'd make Clutterbuck a core top nine forward

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I'd probably overpay a ton for him.
15-20G 300+ hits with his size and he's responsible in the defensive end.

I'd offer a 1st for him
Or
Andre Petterson + 2nd

I'd make Clutterbuck a core top nine forward
I don't know if that would be enough to get him. The wild are in a "Win now" with the two big signings. I don't think they would trade a regular for a prospect or a pick.

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I don't know if that would be enough to get him. The wild are in a "Win now" with the two big signings. I don't think they would trade a regular for a prospect or a pick.
That's what I thought to but lots of Wild fans are happy to move him... there fanbase seems to think Bulmer can replace him easily.

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Clutterbuck is exactly the kind of guy this team could use. Count me in. I'm not sure we've got a prospect I wouldn't part with to land him.

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08-26-2012, 03:25 PM
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That's what I thought to but lots of Wild fans are happy to move him... there fanbase seems to think Bulmer can replace him easily.
That would add some nice grit in our forwards after losing Foligno and Konopka.

Methot adds toughness in the back end but that doesn't help in the offensive corners.

I am for it. I would prefer to keep our first.
Maybe we could do Petersson and a 3rd?

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I'd probably overpay a ton for him.
15-20G 300+ hits with his size and he's responsible in the defensive end.

I'd offer a 1st for him
Or
Andre Petterson + 2nd

I'd make Clutterbuck a core top nine forward
That's way too much to give up for a slight upgrade to Neil. Way too much.

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I am for it. I would prefer to keep our first.
Maybe we could do Petersson and a 3rd?
I think one of the 28 other clubs would be willing to move a 2nd and a good prospect for him and Petersson + 3rd would be outbid.

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08-26-2012, 03:32 PM
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That's way too much to give up for a slight upgrade to Neil. Way too much.
A 25 year old Chris Neil who could score 15ish goals a season, throw 300+ hits and do work on the PK I'd easily move a 1st rd pick for or a 2nd + good prospect

That's an outstanding support player you can have in the lineup for the next decade.

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A 24 year old Chris Neil who could score 15ish goals a season, throw 300+ hits and do work on the PK I'd easily move a 1st rd pick for or a 2nd + good prospect

That's an outstanding support player you can have in the lineup for the next decade.
And that 1st round pick has a good chance at being better than him. This team is not a 100% playoff lock you know.

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For example I'd take Noesen over Clutterbuck

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And that 1st round pick has a good chance at being better than him. This team is not a 100% playoff lock you know.
If the picks top 10 but this team should not be one of the worst teams in the league. The pick should be around 20 and I'd take Clutterbuck over a pick around there.

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I think one of the 28 other clubs would be willing to move a 2nd and a good prospect for him and Petersson + 3rd would be outbid.
We do not have our second, so I take it would 2014's.

What if we did Petersson, Culek and a 3rd? or Petersson and Pageau?

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For example I'd take Noesen over Clutterbuck
And I'd take Clutterbuck over Puempel, O'Brien, Foligno, Lee, Meszaros, Eaves, Klepis, Gleason, Volchenkov, Chouinard, (Players Ottawa has selected in the first round outside of the top 10)

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I don't think Cal intimidates like Neil does, and I think that's maybe the most valuable part of Neil's game.

Maybe we should trade for Bulmer. He can play a season or a half of one in the AHL, and then move up to the bigs.

I watched him play fr Kelowna against Tri City and he Fits the classic agitator mold, but has the potential to play in the top six.

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And I'd take Clutterbuck over Puempel, O'Brien, Foligno, Lee, Meszaros, Eaves, Klepis, Gleason, Volchenkov, Chouinard, (Players Ottawa has selected in the first round outside of the top 10)
Not Gleason and Volchenkov...

Foligno, Puempel and Meszaros are iffy.

Both Neil and Condra are arguably 3rd liners, the bottom 6 RWs are fine

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We do not have our second, so I take it would 2014's.

What if we did Petersson, Culek and a 3rd? or Petersson and Pageau?
I'm not sure that would be the best offer on the table. I think that would be outbid.

At the trade deadline I could see a playoff team willing to part with a 1st... Gaustad got a 1st... Quincey got a 1st

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You wouldn't take Clutterbuck over Gleason?


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